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Dallinor said:
mrstickball said:
Zen -

Or you forget about Falcons, right? The ones that are more reliable than the shoddy 40gb models?

Or would you prefer to mind your own business in your own forum, since your really not a 360 supporter, and a typical Sony troll?

spartan - RRoD happens for any, and no reason. Mine RRoDed when I attempted to play PD0 over a year ago. Get yours replaced with the new Falcon, and never worry about RROD again!

Zenfolder is anything but a Sony troll. Did you even read his post fully?

"I know, I know, PS3 sucks right now."

As for minding his own business, there is nothing stopping him from posting his opinions in other forums. Stop trying to bully him out of the 360 forum just because his views differ from yours. Xbox360 fans like Starcraft and Selnor spend most of their time posting in the Sony forums, yet you hear no complaints about them from other mods.

As for the Falcon, it does RROD, there have been cases of it: http://n4g.com/xbox360/News-71365.aspx

So should he really not fear it again?

+1 to that

 we can ask ioi for new mods to controll some of the existing mods ,,now wouldn't that be funny XD

 

As for OT : read my last post

 



 

 

 

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CaptainPrefrences said:
 
Ok. What the hell was wrong with it then?

 


I wanna say neither of them were reading PS3 discs, but one of them might have just not turned on. The random Best Buy ones I have no idea about as it was a friend just talking about what he saw, and probably inflated the number at that. It was a couple years ago, and none of us really thought much of it. There really wasn't any reason to as there was no wide-spread reports of it so it was just the luck of the draw. Stastical anamolies are bound to happen. Another great example is I know of only one person who has ever gotten the RROD despite knowing plenty of people with a 360, and almost all of my friends who want a Wii have been able to get one without much trouble. Anecdotal evidence is good for nothing but trolling though so I don't try to use my experiences as proof of anything.



Starcraft 2 ID: Gnizmo 229

my falcon just 1 ringed me with e 74 (scaler or gfx burned off)

23 days old.... falcon is great... bah rite

they better get me my new one before gta 4 or im gettin it for my ps3



Xbox360 and Ps3 owner

I spit in your mouth at nite

 

  

Auron said:
Pikaboo said:
Time to pick up a Wii.

I concur, falcons jaspers etc are all so called "solutions" but people with falcons still get rrod but instead of 33% of the time it is now 16% so yay? i guess. Can't wait for my bro's 360 to rrod so i can convert him to a Wii player.


 Your brother should get a PS3 instead of a Wii. You have a Wii. It would be better if he had a PS3, then you can play more games.



The pattern could have been play extended session, console MoBo and solder joints heat up and expand. System goes cold over three days (one day, any prolonged period of time), joints go cold, contract. Joints may contract to the point where all contacts are no longer creating a complete circuit.

Turn on system three days later and RROD appears.

In short, your console probably died as it was cooling down and all the components and connections were contracting.

It's the process of heating and contraction of the MoBo components, particularly the solder joints, as well as the design of the clamps of the heat sink which can physically warp the MoBo when shifting between long game sessions (high heat) and inactive sessions (back to cold) to a degree that when contracting while inactive, solder joints can break contact.

If the heatsink had been designed larger or more efficient from the beginning, heat could have been kept lower, preventing the MoBo warpage and near melting of solder joints. Misapplied thermal paste, as has been the case in some failures, can also lead to excessive heat, leading to the excessive expansion/contraction cycle and an inevitable RROD.

The other alternative, in addition to re-designing the X-clamp for the GPU heat sink, as well as the heat sink itself (larger or more efficient too keep the GPU cooler), it to simply make the GPU smaller (from 90nm to 65nm) and use less energy and create less heat. Falcon only made the CPU smaller, which has not been the primary source of failures. Yes, the 65nm CPU does produce less heat than a 90nm CPU, hence less heat inside the console under peak loads and an overall reduced failure rate (without directly addressing the real problem: the GPU). The Falcon is hardly a flawless solution.

Once all those solutions are implemented (65nm GPU/Jasper), it's just a matter of quality control to see that each redesigned console is manufactured to acceptable factory standards producing no more than a 3-5% failure rate.



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greenmedic88 said:
The pattern could have been play extended session, console MoBo and solder joints heat up and expand. System goes cold over three days (one day, any prolonged period of time), joints go cold, contract. Joints may contract to the point where all contacts are no longer creating a complete circuit.

Turn on system three days later and RROD appears.

In short, your console probably died as it was cooling down and all the components and connections were contracting.

It's the process of heating and contraction of the MoBo components, particularly the solder joints, as well as the design of the clamps of the heat sink which can physically warp the MoBo when shifting between long game sessions (high heat) and inactive sessions (back to cold) to a degree that when contracting while inactive, solder joints can break contact.

If the heatsink had been designed larger or more efficient from the beginning, heat could have been kept lower, preventing the MoBo warpage and near melting of solder joints. Misapplied thermal paste, as has been the case in some failures, can also lead to excessive heat, leading to the excessive expansion/contraction cycle and an inevitable RROD.

The other alternative, in addition to re-designing the X-clamp for the GPU heat sink, as well as the heat sink itself (larger or more efficient too keep the GPU cooler), it to simply make the GPU smaller (from 90nm to 65nm) and use less energy and create less heat. Falcon only made the CPU smaller, which has not been the primary source of failures. Yes, the 65nm CPU does produce less heat than a 90nm CPU, hence less heat inside the console under peak loads and an overall reduced failure rate (without directly addressing the real problem: the GPU). The Falcon is hardly a flawless solution.

Once all those solutions are implemented (65nm GPU/Jasper), it's just a matter of quality control to see that each redesigned console is manufactured to acceptable factory standards producing no more than a 3-5% failure rate.

this could be the single, most logical reason/explanation for rodd that i have ever read. 

 



I love the RRoD threads.

It's so funny how supporter of MS try to sweep it under the rug, and anti-MS people bring it out into the light.

These threads are always fun, and entertaining.



CaptainPrefrences said:
@ mrstickball

My cousin just got a 360 3 weeks ago, and it got the rrod, not surprisingly. His 360 must have had the falcon chip in it right? They really help.

 No, not necessarily. The date of purchase is not the same as the manufacturing date. I got my 360 in August 2007, and it was manufactured in September 2006, for example. Check the back of his console to see when it was manufactured. If the manufacturing date is October 2007 or later then it had the falcon chip in it.



Systems owned: Nintendo 64, GameCube, Xbox 360, Atari 7800, Genesis, PlayStation, Dreamcast, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo DS.

Year-end predictions (April 6, 2008):

  • DS: 94 million (96.0)
  • Wii: 46 million (44.4)
  • PSP: 45 million (43.6)
  • X360: 27 million (27.3)
  • PS3: 24 million (19.4)
  • PS2: 124 million (123.7)

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Don't you all have better things to do than see who can make up the most pointless fanboy-supporting story ever?

yes. 360's sometimes break. yes. It sucks. But people who really like them will put up with it. Great. If you don't want to put up with it, buy something else.

But seriously. Another 360 dying or not dying will not make your dick any bigger, no matter how hard you try.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

fastyxx said:
Worst. Thread. Ever.

Don't you all have better things to do than see who can make up the most pointless fanboy-supporting story ever?

yes. 360's sometimes break. yes. It sucks. But people who really like them will put up with it. Great. If you don't want to put up with it, buy something else.

But seriously. Another 360 dying or not dying will not make your dick any bigger, no matter how hard you try.

mine did, it grew three inches since i started talking about the rrod. now i have a 9 inch monster