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Neos said:
well this is an unexpected turn of events. He should have gone x360 instead =P

i kid i kid xD

 They could have put it on a DVD ... if they wopuld have used MGS1 engine ...

 

Kijima has allways a negative vision .... in what he sees crap we may see a miracle :P 



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ChronotriggerJM said:
@BigJ, I'm not programmer, thats for damn sure, but I've heard and read so many things about both processors, and from what I've seen of insomniacs work, the PS3 still has PLENTY of headway. I don't know much about the general purpose uses for gaming, but when I hear people dumping graphics, physics, A.I., framerate, etc etc onto the SPE's, it seems to me that it's MUCH more accessible for gaming than some people want to accept.

Okay, well, if you can explain to me how an AI algorithm would work that can be done primarily in the SPEs I'll be impressed.

In fact, so will the greatest gaming minds of this generation. Tim Sweeney, the engine developer for the Unreal series of engines specifically stated that the SPEs do not lend themselves to AI algorithms.



You gotta respect his honesty though , this may proove to be more effective PR than developers boasting about how new and revolutionary their game is.




Well if Kojima is happy with the gameplay, MGS4=GOTY.



He said nearly the same thing after he was done with MGS2 on the PS2 (he was especially mad because the PS2 wasn't able to manage a bigger mass of enemy KIs), it's just the way he is.
And be sure that this one step instead of the 10 he noticed is still much more than most games do.



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Looks like Kojima was lead to believe the PS3 would be more powerful than it really is too.




TheBigFatJ said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
@BigJ, I'm not programmer, thats for damn sure, but I've heard and read so many things about both processors, and from what I've seen of insomniacs work, the PS3 still has PLENTY of headway. I don't know much about the general purpose uses for gaming, but when I hear people dumping graphics, physics, A.I., framerate, etc etc onto the SPE's, it seems to me that it's MUCH more accessible for gaming than some people want to accept.

Okay, well, if you can explain to me how an AI algorithm would work that can be done primarily in the SPEs I'll be impressed.

In fact, so will the greatest gaming minds of this generation. Tim Sweeney, the engine developer for the Unreal series of engines specifically stated that the SPEs do not lend themselves to AI algorithms.


 I'm unable to argue with you from a programming perspective mainly because my knowledge of computer science probably isn't as deep as yours , but let's disregard everything we know about proggraming and proccessing power for a second.

 Using purely the games we have on offer to use as a means of comparing the graphical ability of the PS3 VS the 360 I think you'll find the PS3 wins hands down , all the most visualy stunning games ( Uncharted , Rachet & Clank , GT5:P , MGS4 , Final Fantasy 13, Killzone 2, LBP) have or will apear on the PS3 within the next Year.

 Even if the PS3 isn't as capable as the 360 (which I believe isn't the case) it would apear that the "lesse able" console is producing the more aestheticly pleasing games . I challenge you to tell everyone a game that will suprass or even equal anything being produced on the PS3 this year.




Yeah I can't really combat that response Big :P I'm just basing it off of real world applications, the games I've played, and the impressions of people already working with the PS3. This is Kojima's first PS3 project (as far as I know :P ), and like I said earlier, the footage I saw was leaps and bounds above anything I've seen on console or pc for that matter :x If you've ever seen one of those 120 hertz tv's you might know what I'm talking about.

All I know is basing it off one simple company, Insomniac, I've seen the jump from Resistance 1 to Ratchet and Clank (which to me still looks better than anything I've seen on the 360, but thats besides the point), and they're saying that the jump from Ratchet to R2 will be just as massive. And I've never known Insomniac to be all that amazing of programmers, but as of lately, they're rapidly swaying my mind lol. The more they work with the PS3, the more amazing things they seem to be accomplishing.

We've all seen what Gabe Newell thinks of the PS3, and he's supposed to be a legendary programmer, some people just don't WANT to change the way they do things. I'm not saying any of those fine gentlemen you listed are like that, but from what we've seen from PS3 exclusives, I can't say the cell is damaging for games lol.



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Million said:
TheBigFatJ said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
@BigJ, I'm not programmer, thats for damn sure, but I've heard and read so many things about both processors, and from what I've seen of insomniacs work, the PS3 still has PLENTY of headway. I don't know much about the general purpose uses for gaming, but when I hear people dumping graphics, physics, A.I., framerate, etc etc onto the SPE's, it seems to me that it's MUCH more accessible for gaming than some people want to accept.

Okay, well, if you can explain to me how an AI algorithm would work that can be done primarily in the SPEs I'll be impressed.

In fact, so will the greatest gaming minds of this generation. Tim Sweeney, the engine developer for the Unreal series of engines specifically stated that the SPEs do not lend themselves to AI algorithms.


I'm unable to argue with you from a programming perspective mainly because my knowledge of computer science probably isn't as deep as yours , but let's disregard everything we know about proggraming and proccessing power for a second.

Using purely the games we have on offer to use as a means of comparing the graphical ability of the PS3 VS the 360 I think you'll find the PS3 wins hands down , all the most visualy stunning games ( Uncharted , Rachet & Clank , GT5:P , MGS4 , Final Fantasy 13, Killzone 2, LBP) have or will apear on the PS3 within the next Year.

Even if the PS3 isn't as capable as the 360 (which I believe isn't the case) it would apear that the "lesse able" console is producing the more aestheticly pleasing games . I challenge you to tell everyone a game that will suprass or even equal anything being produced on the PS3 this year.


Gears 2 ofcourse! But yeah...PS3 has got some killer games too, but both consoles have sweet sweet games that look mint.


ToastyJaguar said:
Looks like Kojima was lead to believe the PS3 would be more powerful than it really is too.


 *ding ding ding* Congratulations!!  You're the first xbox fan to use this statement to bash the PS3, and as a special gift we have.....absolutely nothing, because this is over the internet and I don't know you irl.

OT: This is kind of Kojima's MO.  My only issue with the statement is that he started lamenting about the restraints of putting what's in his head into a game before the game released, which may or may not have been the best idea, but I admire the guy's honesty.  Cheer up Kojima, there's always next time dude ^^



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