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Which next-gen console will be more powerful

PS5 4 $3,092.90 16.00%
 
Series X 21 $14,981.51 84.00%
 
 
Totals: 25 $18,074.41  
Game closed: 03/15/2020

I imagine XSX, but I do believe it'll be down to how they make use of the hw, rather than raw specs alone.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Qwark said:
Xbox series X is quite a bit more powerful than the PS5 it seems. I wonder if it is more expensive though.

15% more powerful GPU, with an SSD that is half as fast, and only 10 GB of VRAM vs 16 GB of VRAM for PS5. After taking the time to digest today's news, it looks like Series X is just barely more powerful. 

I wonder if it's more expensive too. Probably not, but we'll see. 

A unified pool at uniform speeds is always preferable, but let's not pretend the XSX is another PS3 / XBOne scenario. Even averaging all the memory chips, they still come a good 6% ahead of the PS5, and that's not taking into account that OS will surely reserve only from the 1 gb, 336 GB/s chips.



 

 

 

 

 

No doubt XSX will be stronger, but I guess something 10-20% but more likely under 15%.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ljink96 said:
src said:

Sony can get a far larger discount since their console sells 100 million+ while Xbox is half of that. Sony also has the funds easily to eat a loss: they've been making billions of profit every year (far more than Xbox) and have far higher software sales, subscription sales and 1st party sales. 

Haha, so... that's not how it works. And no way in hell you're going to convince me Sony has more money to burn than freaking Microsoft. As of last year the top companies with the most cash in hand, the top of that list is Microsoft followed by Berkshire Hathaway...Sony is nowhere to be seen on this list. Sony can eat a loss, but it'll hurt them way more than it'll hurt Microsoft. 

Different departments have different budgets, and PS does much better than Xbox, so yes they would have more money to use to ensure they have a lower price to sell more. Even more when MS is moving away from selling HW as their focus and going for service.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So looks like XSX is gonna be more capable, but not overwhelmingly.

We could be looking at a contest kinda like SNES vs Megadrive or Gamecube vs Xbox, where each has their own advantages and while one does have the overall edge, the other can hold its own.



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src said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

155 - 90 = 65

90 - 50 = 40

Well, i wonder, which side dropped more. I think you already knew.

You are welcome.

Not PS as PS4 is going to end with 120-130 million lmao

As for your point, its completely meaningless. Its not about the size of the gap but the bottom number: Xbox at 50 million and even with your spin by ignoring PS4, PS3 is at 90 million.

Pemalite said:

It's just simple math... It's using the Pixels Per Degree formula which accounts for resolution, size and distance.
It's what Apple would use for it's "retina" display branding... And obviously can be scaled up from there.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/7743/the-pixel-density-race-and-its-technical-merits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fovea_centralis#Angular_size_of_foveal_cones

https://www.wikilectures.eu/w/Resolution_of_human_eye

https://www.rgb.com/display-size-resolution-and-ideal-viewing-distance

https://clarkvision.com/articles/eye-resolution.html

Sony cannot guarantee anything, they have sold any consoles yet.
Sony has also had multiple consoles sell less than 100+ million lifetime... Such as the Playstation 3, Playstation Vita, Playstation Portable.

The PC minimizes the financial risk to Microsoft's game division.

Sony hasn't even revealed their console yet, let alone sold a single unit... It could be a giant cock-up and a catastrophic flop with a plethora of anti-consumer stances that draws ire from the entire industry. (Unlikely, but companies make mistakes! Ask Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega etc'.)

Just don't count your chickens before the eggs have hatched.

Does not work like that I am afraid.

Microsoft and Sony pay AMD a 'Lump Sum' for the chip design, R&D and other work. - They then pay licensing fees on a regular basis after the fact.

From there... Sony and Microsoft will pay for chips in "batches" fro various foundries. - They don't forward project 100~ million units, that would be business suicide... And especially as the chips themselves will undergo multiple revisions/respins in order to resolve eratas and so forth, plus die-shrinks on top of it.
Microsoft and Sony will *never* order 100~ million of the same chip because they will never sell 100~ million of the same chip, even the Playstation 2 with 150~ million consoles sold, did NOT sell 150~ million of the same chip.

Take the Nintendo Switch as another example, the new Switch consoles don't use the same chip as the launch console, it's an entirely new variant with entirely new manufacturing and licensing agreements in place.

So before you demand people to "start reading" it does help if the information you provide actually has any factual basis to start with.


Obviously they aren't going to forward project 100 million. However what they will project is higher yearly console sales, which again goes to the general rule of larger volumes reducing average price. 

Not to forget the lowest PS ever sinked was still more than what Xbox ever achieved.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Cerebralbore101 said:
Qwark said:
Xbox series X is quite a bit more powerful than the PS5 it seems. I wonder if it is more expensive though.

15% more powerful GPU, with an SSD that is half as fast, and only 10 GB of VRAM vs 16 GB of VRAM for PS5. After taking the time to digest today's news, it looks like Series X is just barely more powerful. 

I wonder if it's more expensive too. Probably not, but we'll see. 

By the number of CUs on XSX and RAM controllers it will probably be quite larger than PS5 (it is like twice the volume of X1X) and probably cost more as well, and not much room for great revision reductions later own to make less CUs or take away the vapor chamber I guess.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So it turns out I was right as usual with videogames markets, PS5 is slightly less powerfull.

One thing I might have been wrong all this time, now I think Sony will push the price up very close to Xbox, with all that talk about SSD and futuristic audio, it sounds as they are creating a reason to put the price up.

I was slightly wrong on storage, I thought it would be 500ssd, its actually 820ssd, maybe 600gb for the consumer, that's actually better than I anticipated, but now I'm worried about costs, if this thing costs minimum 500dollars it will make people not want to upgrade soon.

I'm actually shocked that the ps5 doesn't run all ps4 games, but 100games is a great start.

My biggest worry now is the cost of external storage, I prefer Microsoft approach, I also like the modular building of the xbox, so easy to upgrade in the future, Ill go with Microsoft if Sony doesn't have that.

My biggest question was vapor cooling, which is confirmed on xbox, so that's one big reason to pay a bit extra and get the xbox if Sony doesn't have that.

PS - the most important thing is, this generation the gap is much lower than last, we had last generation something like 30% more power on ps4, this time the gap will be like 10%, so its going to be good for developers and consumers. And the speedier PS5 SSD might make up for that 10% anyway.

So basically, if sony has modular design at least for the graphics card, and vapor cooling, Ill buy ps5 on launch, if not, then xbox.



DonFerrari said:
Ljink96 said:

Haha, so... that's not how it works. And no way in hell you're going to convince me Sony has more money to burn than freaking Microsoft. As of last year the top companies with the most cash in hand, the top of that list is Microsoft followed by Berkshire Hathaway...Sony is nowhere to be seen on this list. Sony can eat a loss, but it'll hurt them way more than it'll hurt Microsoft. 

Different departments have different budgets, and PS does much better than Xbox, so yes they would have more money to use to ensure they have a lower price to sell more. Even more when MS is moving away from selling HW as their focus and going for service.

I agree, my point is not that different departments don't have different budgets it's that since Playstation accounts for most of Sony's profits at this point, Xbox is not the same to Microsoft so thus Sony has to make sure, more than Microsoft, that this launch isn't botched. The PS3 did a number on Sony, and by the skin of their teeth they recovered. If Xbox has a botched launch Microsoft won't sweat it. Yeah, it would be terrible but nowhere near as devastating as a PS3 level event. I am well aware that these are separate divisions which is why it is so important to Sony to make the right move more than it is for Microsoft to. 



victor83fernandes said:

So it turns out I was right as usual with videogames markets, PS5 is slightly less powerfull.

One thing I might have been wrong all this time, now I think Sony will push the price up very close to Xbox, with all that talk about SSD and futuristic audio, it sounds as they are creating a reason to put the price up.

I was slightly wrong on storage, I thought it would be 500ssd, its actually 820ssd, maybe 600gb for the consumer, that's actually better than I anticipated, but now I'm worried about costs, if this thing costs minimum 500dollars it will make people not want to upgrade soon.

I'm actually shocked that the ps5 doesn't run all ps4 games, but 100games is a great start.

My biggest worry now is the cost of external storage, I prefer Microsoft approach, I also like the modular building of the xbox, so easy to upgrade in the future, Ill go with Microsoft if Sony doesn't have that.

My biggest question was vapor cooling, which is confirmed on xbox, so that's one big reason to pay a bit extra and get the xbox if Sony doesn't have that.

PS - the most important thing is, this generation the gap is much lower than last, we had last generation something like 30% more power on ps4, this time the gap will be like 10%, so its going to be good for developers and consumers. And the speedier PS5 SSD might make up for that 10% anyway.

So basically, if sony has modular design at least for the graphics card, and vapor cooling, Ill buy ps5 on launch, if not, then xbox.

Seems like you misunderstood the BC. They have tested the top 100 played and they are all working fine, that doesn't mean other games aren't already playable or that they won't increase the count until launch for games that don't work perfectly.

On the SSD not sure they would use this very expensive solution for the OS as well and take 225Gb of the memory with it, either they will put a simpler and cheaper SSD for the OS or it won't be this massive. They are doing all possible to free up memory (all the SSD control and RAM cleaning) to them dump 1/4 of the expensive SSD for OS.

Which console do you remember have made it a good working upgrade your system yourself? The most we had was either attachments like Sega CD or ethernet/HDD on PS2 so I wouldn't expect you to be able to increase RAM or GPU on your console.

You'll be able to buy and insert the SSD into PS5 just fine even if it isn't proprietary like MS, sure you'll have a harder time needing to research if it is compatible.

Not sure why you are concerned about PS5 having or not vapor chamber, if you were talking about the cooling being enough or silent at least it would be a metric more relevant than the type itself.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."