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victor83fernandes said:

That's is not correct, gamers are gamers, period, its 2020 no one is scared of PCs anymore they've become much easier to build. I was on PC until 2006 when I emigrated for work purposes, at the end of this year I'll permanently return home now that I finished paying my house. Just saving for a car.

Ill have a choice as a gamer, build a powerful PC which can replace my MacBook so basically that would cost me nothing as the MacBook is worth a lot of money.

Or buy a PS5 or series X depending on design, power, launch games. Price, With the advantage I already have a pro controller that works on PC.

I'd love a GT7, horizon 2, spiderman 2 etc, but on PC I could play enhanced games from several generations + emulators to improve my switch/wiiU graphics. And several games at very cheap prices. And free online.

Also console games take many years to drop in price back in Portugal, not like here in the UK where I can get a game 50% off after only 6 months. Back in Portugal I've seen PS4 games from 5 years ago still at 70euros (around 80dollars), GTA5 as an example.

The new consoles will be 500 + 130 for a couple games + 150 for a proper controller if my pro controller is not compatible + 50 for online = 830 dollars

PC parts will be better, cheaper and more power efficient come January, I could build a monster gaming PC for 830 dollars which would save me money long term on games and free online and I could go back and play older games like Mass effect trilogy in very high quality graphics.

The biggest deciding factor will be fan noise, this generation I went through 4 PS4s, the launch one was loud, then the destiny model was acceptable, then I got the pro was super loud, then I finally got the 3rd revision with Spiderman, its acceptable.

The xbox X is wonderfully silent, but I doubt the next gen consoles will have the budget for that cooling. On consoles you are stuck to whatever cooling they give you. Most people didn't complain on ps4 so I'm sure they will cheap out on that. I usually do not mind if the fan can not be heard over the headphones.

On PC I get to choose the cooling, thats a huge advantage.

Sony bringing exclusives to the PC is just one more reason to abandon consoles.

Sorry, “gamers are gamers” doesn’t fly. Because that assumes people are the same and don’t have unique preferences. Ever consider millions don’t want to build a PC? That couch gaming is more social or that playing on your living room tv is preferable then being 2 feet away from your Pc monitor? That consoles are always going to be cheaper and more convenient? 

Just a few examples of why one wouldn’t touch the other, and I’m sure there’s plenty examples that go for Pc gamers 

You must have not read my comments, I said consoles will be just PCs, they are just pre built. You can play PC on the couch, on your TV, with the same cable, with the same controller. Also you can play consoles on a PC monitor, on a desk, on a chair.

You cant read? I said PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, you spend 500dollars just to play online during 10 years. PC gamers pay 0 dollars, also if you buy 50 games, it will cost you an average 1000 dollars more on consoles, so you spend an average 1500 dollars on a console.

The difference between PC and consoles have been shortening for years now.

Slowly console gamers are realizing the advantage of PCs

1 - Easy to upgrade, don't have to buy the whole machine (example ps4 to ps4 pro)

2 - You can do a lot more with a PC

3 - You get a lot more games on PC

4 - Emulators

5 - Much cheaper games

6 - Free online

7 - Choice of a controller

8 - Choice of either graphics or framerate

9 - No need for game patches, all games become 'patched' once you buy a better graphics card

10 - A bigger range of games, example strategy and management

PS - I do not have a PC as I'm travelling for work, or else I'd gone PC years ago, with that said I love my consoles too, as long as they have plenty exclusives, put those exclusives on PC such as Horizon, then consoles become less and less necessary. I plan to have a desk with a monitor, and 2 cables, 1 going to the monitor, one going to the projector, so I can just switch between 26inch monitor, or 120 inch projector with just a click. I will use the same controller, nacon revolution unlimited on ps4 and projector, its easy to switch, basically just put the usb receptor on ps4 or PC that's all, no other options to change.

As much as I love to play on the couch, I realized recently when playing N64 on my laptop, that I get more alert when sitting down at a desk, the couch gets me more lazy and sleepy. So its good to have the choice.

Last edited by victor83fernandes - on 12 March 2020

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A lot of gamers have their preferences, and so they are willing to wait for a game they want to come to their platform of preference. Sony should know PC gamers won't jump and get a PS4/5 to play their games. They are willing to wait for either the game to "legitimately" come or wait for emulation. I have a PS4, but I rarely touch it, and cause of that I will not get a PS5.
And speaking of waiting, a lot of gamers wait for prices of games to come down. Sony games go down in price very quickly, they lose their value just months after release. I didn't get HZD until exactly one year after it's release (Feb. 2018) for $15, and it was the Complete Edition which came out 3 months prior (Dec. 2017).



Sogreblute said:
A lot of gamers have their preferences, and so they are willing to wait for a game they want to come to their platform of preference. Sony should know PC gamers won't jump and get a PS4/5 to play their games. They are willing to wait for either the game to "legitimately" come or wait for emulation. I have a PS4, but I rarely touch it, and cause of that I will not get a PS5.
And speaking of waiting, a lot of gamers wait for prices of games to come down. Sony games go down in price very quickly, they lose their value just months after release. I didn't get HZD until exactly one year after it's release (Feb. 2018) for $15, and it was the Complete Edition which came out 3 months prior (Dec. 2017).

That's completely wrong, Sony and everyone knows that a lot of PC gamers bought a console just for GTA5, spiderman, Uncharted and so on, I even know PC gamers back in the day that bought an xbox just for Halo, and more recently just for Forza Horizon. The last of us 2 will sell a lot of consoles even to PC gamers, that game alone.

And when you buy a console for just 1 game, you tend to get interest in other exclusives too.

Exclusives are important, and a necessity to sell your console, I don't think they should sacrifice that for a quick cash. They have to think long term.



Stellar_Fungk said:
I don’t know, man. First party console games should stick to their respective console. If I wanna play Sony games I buy a PS4. HZD was made with that console in mind.

What if Nintendo games release on PC. Oh the horror.

I think exclusivity will die this generation and Microsoft started it :(

Exclusives are anti-consumer, it means you have to pay more to play more games, why do consumers want that? Oh that's right, because they are consumers not customers, consumers eat up anything companies tell them while customers shop around.

Cerebralbore101 said:

The 360 halved Sony's userbase?

https://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

157 million divided by two does not equal 87 million.

Let's not forget several facts regarding PS2. 

1. It had amazing legs. Just look at these post 2006 shipment numbers! https://web.archive.org/web/20120609161654/scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html

2. The consoles it competed against were all from either companies new to the console business (Microsoft), or trying to recover from a serious last gen decline (Sega/Nintendo).

3. Being a cheap DVD player helped drive sales. The DVD format was a revolutionary improvement over VHS. Nearly everybody wanted a DVD player, and PS2 was a DVD player that could also play games. It cost the same or less as other DVD players of the early 2000s. 

The writing was on the wall for the Wii U's failure. The two consoles before the Wii sold 32 Million, and 22 Million. Sony on the other hand handily won three generations, and effectively tied for 2nd place vs a 360 with a 50% failure rate on it's initial model. https://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/

So up until 2009 or whenever the slim came out there was a massive failure rate, causing people to buy 2nd, 3rd, and 4th 360's. I went through three of the things, and didn't even bother getting a PS3 until 2008!

We could easily attribute 10 million in 360 sales to RROD. That puts the adjusted count at 87 million PS3's vs 75 Million 360's. 

Now let's remember that 360 had a full year's launch ahead of PS3. So adjust another 4-5 million downward. 

Xbox is on the surge upwards, your lack of respect for the PS5s competitor is exactly what happen when the PS3 launched against the 360.

XB1 sales have been in the 40,000 to 50,000 range in weekly sales for the past 8-10 months. That's not a surge upwards. That's a precipitous decline. Perhaps you meant surge upwards in some hazy, non-objective, marketing terms? In that case, the color black is more appealing to me personally, than the color green, therefore Xbox Series X will clearly lose the battle, based solely on my personal non-objective preferences. Good argument isn't it? (Hint: It's not.)

360 RROD was covered by warranty and MS spent $1.5b to fix the issue, even with spending $1.5b the 360 still lost less money than the PS3.

My point is with healthy competition, the userbase divides, Sony went from 150m customers to 80m, Xbox went from 30m customers to 80m and Nintendo went from 20m customers to 100m customers. This gen the competition wasn't healthy until the S and Switch released however that was midway through the generation.

The surge of Xbox is being missed read for some odd reason. I am not referring to this generation I am referring to the Xbox brand and the decision making and next gen planning. Xbox is going to be bigger next gen. As others have mentioned, its what MS is building upon for next gen. If you think Sony is just going to walk out the gate with PS2 or PS4 numbers expecting no competition from Xbox or Nintendo than you need to take the glasses for a min and look around you.

Next gen is looking more like Gen 7 if the competition remains heavily competitive with no slip ups. 

Also half of 157m is 78m which is very close to 87m. Which rounds out to be half.

The 360 also sold 1b software on a platform that sold less than 90m consoles, its the only console to achieve that milestone so thats a feat in itself and guess what makes more money.. suprise, the software, the PS3 sold less software overall to the 360 aswell.

At the End of the day, the more competition can lead to a more level playing field like we saw last gen. In this case, if all 3 brands have great consoles at launch than expect tight sales between the 3.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 12 March 2020

Random_Matt said:
People still defend Xbox? Weird.

But people defending another company is ok? That’s a double standard. Also it isn’t 2013 anymore :)



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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Random_Matt said:
People still defend Xbox? Weird.

People still attack Xbox? How sad.

Go watch a sport.



victor83fernandes said:
Sogreblute said:
A lot of gamers have their preferences, and so they are willing to wait for a game they want to come to their platform of preference. Sony should know PC gamers won't jump and get a PS4/5 to play their games. They are willing to wait for either the game to "legitimately" come or wait for emulation. I have a PS4, but I rarely touch it, and cause of that I will not get a PS5.
And speaking of waiting, a lot of gamers wait for prices of games to come down. Sony games go down in price very quickly, they lose their value just months after release. I didn't get HZD until exactly one year after it's release (Feb. 2018) for $15, and it was the Complete Edition which came out 3 months prior (Dec. 2017).

That's completely wrong, Sony and everyone knows that a lot of PC gamers bought a console just for GTA5, spiderman, Uncharted and so on, I even know PC gamers back in the day that bought an xbox just for Halo, and more recently just for Forza Horizon. The last of us 2 will sell a lot of consoles even to PC gamers, that game alone.

And when you buy a console for just 1 game, you tend to get interest in other exclusives too.

Exclusives are important, and a necessity to sell your console, I don't think they should sacrifice that for a quick cash. They have to think long term.

We aren't throwing our PC's out of the Windows just because we bought a console.

I own a Switch, Xbox One X, Wii U, Xbox 360, Original Xbox, Super Nintendo, Nintendo, Atari 2600, Sega Master System, Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation 3 and probably a few more I have forgotten.

I still game on PC.

PC also has exclusives, it's not like exclusives somehow only exist on consoles, far from it.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Pemalite said:
victor83fernandes said:

That's completely wrong, Sony and everyone knows that a lot of PC gamers bought a console just for GTA5, spiderman, Uncharted and so on, I even know PC gamers back in the day that bought an xbox just for Halo, and more recently just for Forza Horizon. The last of us 2 will sell a lot of consoles even to PC gamers, that game alone.

And when you buy a console for just 1 game, you tend to get interest in other exclusives too.

Exclusives are important, and a necessity to sell your console, I don't think they should sacrifice that for a quick cash. They have to think long term.

We aren't throwing our PC's out of the Windows just because we bought a console.

I own a Switch, Xbox One X, Wii U, Xbox 360, Original Xbox, Super Nintendo, Nintendo, Atari 2600, Sega Master System, Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation 3 and probably a few more I have forgotten.

I still game on PC.

PC also has exclusives, it's not like exclusives somehow only exist on consoles, far from it.

You must have reading comprehension, I never said you should throw away your PC, you missed my point entirely. Read again, I said exclusives sell consoles both to PC gamers and also to console gamers. 

Sure in the ideal world, consoles would not exist and sony and Microsoft and Nintendo would develop only for PC, then everyone could just stick with PC and play all games ever released in the history of gaming. That would be perfect, but that's not the world we live in.

If sony didn't want to sell consoles, then why don't they just quit the console market? Obviously they want to sell the consoles and for that, they need to convince people, hence the exclusives.



twintail said:

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it anti-consumer.

Anti-consumer would be any action that provides no benefit to the intended consumer. First party exclusives can't be anti-consumer, since software designed for your hardware is expected. This happens in pretty much any industry. If you are going to claim that exclusive are anti-consumer, then surely I could argue that hardware is too? 

How an exclusive would be anti-consumer would be if the game was intended for release on multiple devices but then out of nowhere became an exclusive, as an example.

You could argue Rise of the Tomb Raider was anti-consumer. Why? Well the original game sold better on PS3 than X360. The remaster sold better on PS4 than X1. Yet RoTR is now exclusive to the console with lesser sales of the previous games? This is anti-consumer because it takes away the opportunity for buyers on PS4 to buy the game, and this in term requires them to buy another device to continue the series.

Epic getting sole rights to Metro Exodus on PC could be anti-consumer, considering it was intended for release on Steam but pulled because Epic decided to get release rights.

Bayo 2 and 3 are arguably not anti-consumer. The game wouldn't exist without Nintendo getting the license to fund the game. Should the make these games available elsewhere? Maybe, but it is their money and where the game goes is their prerogative. 

There is no black/ white situation for this. It all comes down to the situation surrounding the decisions being made. 

Consumer friendly is when you go out and buy a DvD movie at a video store and it will work in any DvD player you own. 

Not consumer friendly is when you are forced to buy into hardware to watch and play a product you brought just because companies don't want you playing there games on other devices. 

In the gaming industry, you need to buy into multiple devices to play all the games, if a game comes out that interests you but made by a brand that you don't own, you have to spend more money to play it. Much like how the companies are pulling out from Nvidia NOW (Streaming) due to they all want to make there own Streaming service to nickel and dime there customers. This is the same mentality as console makers. Want to play there game than buy there $400 device and also subscribe to them to play the other half of the game (Multiplayer)

PC Gaming has been showing the way for years, yet many devs still want to avoid it because they want to sell you Hardware that expires and requires the next model to continue playing there software. That is not consumer friendly.

Rise of the Tomb Raider was not consumer friendly, neither was Street Fighter 5 which was even worse. All timed exclusives and brought out games are anti-consumer.



Azzanation said:
victor83fernandes said:

Wrong, playstation is destined to succeed no matter what, PS1, ps2, ps3 and ps4 were huge successes. The brand name alone guarantees it, even more next gen because its backwards compatible.

SIP

This guy..

As Pemalite mentioned, remember the Vita?

If the PS5 came out with similar anti-consumer practices and bad PR, expect the same results as to what happened to the XB1 launch. PS2 super successful sales did not stop the 360 from taking away Sony's market share.

src said:

Larger userbase as in more PS hardware sales.PS has no game selling platform on PC. Removing exclusives will do nothing but reduce hardware sales. It is nonsensical to say removing exclusives somehow leads to more people buying PS5 lol

All those consoles you mention were either unattractive hardware or had little third party support. Neither of these things has ever applied to Playstation so its a silly analogy. 

Adding more options for gamers to play there games increases overall profits, you don't need hardware to be successful, ever heard of Steam? 

Yes I just proved your point wrong as I mentioned consoles that had better 1st party exclusives yet undersold compared to the competition. People talk up FF7 on PS1 and how well it did yet it wasn't exclusive, it was also available on PC and wasn't made or owned by the platform holder. This is a familiar scene today.

If 1st party exclusives is everything than Nintendo would have dominated the PS1 and PS2 era as Sony's 1st party exclusives weren't even on par. Yes 3rd party is where its at and its exactly what Xbox focuses on, just as much as PS. So competition will eat into the success of the PS4 userbase if Sony isn't careful with there marketing and same can be said for the others as well.

I will say you need a good mixture of everything plus good marketing helps. Look at both the PS2 and PS4, they were era's where Sony's direct competitors both slipped up with the Gamecube and Dreamcast and the XB1 and WiiU. While we are on brand power, the PS3 almost sent Sony bankrupt as well becoming worst console to lose billions overtaking the OG Xbox. The time PS had healthy competition there console struggled to sell majorly and need heavy face lifts to get back in the game.

Playstation makes 4 times the revenue Valve does. If you're talking about success, most companies don't come close to Playstation. 

Nah, you listed consoles that had bad third party support or poor hardware. None of this applies to Playstation.

Playstation dominated Nintendo because they had exclusives that you couldn't play on a N64 or GC. 

Xbox gave up all their exclusives and crashed their business. 

Thank you for further proving the point.

Azzanation said:
src said:

Its not an opinion to say that exclusives often rank a lot in the most critically acclaimed games of each year. The last 4 GOTY winners have all been exclusive going from the GOTY blog ( Death Stranding, GOW, Zelda, UC4). 

Since when did Death Stranding and UC4 win GOTY?

The Game Awards say otherwise.

Game awards are one award. https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/?m=1 compiles many just like we use metacritic/opencritic.