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HollyGamer said:
sales2099 said:

Too little too late. Initial PR disaster, $100 more expensive and yet weaker hardware. Kinect being mandatory. Every multiplat having inferior Xbox specs. General snowball effect of friends buying their friends console, and yes the difference in exclusives between the two companies.

Power matters but it also has to be the first impression as well. Dont act like PS fans aren’t obsessed with power. It runs in your veins since PS3 ;)

Hey anyone loves power and graphic, but when put in the context and priority . Power always be the last. of course this is for me, i bet it's different from one people to another.  

1.Brand loyalty  

2.Value

3.Price

4.Content

5.Power

^ this.



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taus90 said:
Sixteenvolt420 said:
I'm sure Sony will be fine. They have a plan and i'm sure they won't let Playstation gamers down.

i m sure they do... but my fear is that marketing department might be a let down for PS5.. coz the strategy is confusing as hell, why do a wired article, instead they could have made PSX a major event by announcing or demonstrating those same feature in the article without showing the box.. just like they did on 20th Feb 2013 for PS4 reveal. 

Also r Sony WWS has never let its gamers down its the marketing department that has messed up, and we have witnessed this during PS3 era.

Even with Sony messing up during the PS3, they still sold twice the consoles as what MS did this gen, when they messed up. They just release too many good games and have such a worldwide presence, for them not to make a comeback, if they mess up again



The_Liquid_Laser said:

The OP's post is just as ridiculous as all of the people already declaring the PS5's success.  We don't even know what games will be on the PS5.

Too many people think that gaming is about hardware or gaming is about company brand.  Nope.  Gaming is about games.  People say it, but they don't believe it.  Gaming is about games.  It is premature to call PS5 a success or failure until we have some indication what kind of games it is going to have.

True, and MS announcing a 12Tflops beast of a console and then saying all their 1st party games will run on the ancient X1 too, is probably the worst way to get people excited about a next gen games. My guess is that they're positioning the Series X as a super premium product and it will be so expensive, they know it's not going to reach mass market, kinda like their $200 elite controller.  I'm guessing it will be $699 or more and they'll try to sell them through a subscription plan, just like with $1000 phones. 

Maybe that will work, but probably not. Especially if Sony releases a $399 ps5, where people don't have to wait 2 years before they get true next gen exclusives.

Last edited by goopy20 - on 26 February 2020

BraLoD said:
sales2099 said:
This is me talking: they gonna sell more consoles

Non UK Europe and Asia is PS territory. Always will be, the brand is too strong. If Series X beats PS5 on power and Lockhart beats it on price you have NA and UK on team Xbox but all that will do is make the PS5 lead smaller.

The only way to win would be to sell a strict Xcloud box for streaming on ones TV. Such a product would be very cheap as it isn’t a full console experience but only what Xcloud offers. This would do wonders in markets Xbox falters in.

But until then, I’m just enjoying Sony being the shy boy while I’m getting my news fix as a Xbox fan looking forward to a fresh gen and Halo Infinite. I mean....I’m surprised I’m even saying this. Sony is the top dog and now they shy away from a PR fight since the VGAs???

I only see you around here when you want to wage some warz, lol.

Talking about shying away, will you shy away again and disappear if the XSX starts taking a hard beating from the PS5 like you did when the XBO was hopeless against the PS4?

My post literally said Sony gonna sell more consoles, don’t know what to tell ya bud. 

Xbox One let me down, why would I self torture defending a losing console that didn’t “get me”? It wasn’t until backwards compatibility, Xbox X, and Game Pass collectively restored my faith in the brand. The acquisitions of core developers shows me they are on the right track and they got me by the balls, even if they loose again, which they will.

Sorry I’m not the kind of fan that blindly follows when the corporation loses their way (shrugs). 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

BraLoD said:
sales2099 said:

My post literally said Sony gonna sell more consoles, don’t know what to tell ya bud. 

Xbox One let me down, why would I self torture defending a losing console that didn’t “get me”? It wasn’t until backwards compatibility, Xbox X, and Game Pass collectively restored my faith in the brand. The acquisitions of core developers shows me they are on the right track and they got me by the balls, even if they loose again, which they will.

Sorry I’m not the kind of fan that blindly follows when the corporation loses their way (shrugs). 

Of course you did, then you procceed to say you like to see Sony supposedly shying away and calling people out about the PS3 to bring some warz here.

You can try to fool newer users but I remember you very well, bud.

Even that video on your channel ;)

I’m flattered you remember really, but let’s leave that stuff elsewhere. Takes away from the thread.

Cant say I didn’t learn anything if I think Sony will win, even with a general optimism within the Xbox community now. And Sony is being shy (by comparison anyway). I explained my absence as it was: Xbox let me down, now they aren’t. I’m a bias fan, but now I am more then open to criticizing Xbox too. 

Cant believe I used to support Kinect just because it helped increase 360 sales lol



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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HollyGamer said:
sales2099 said:

Too little too late. Initial PR disaster, $100 more expensive and yet weaker hardware. Kinect being mandatory. Every multiplat having inferior Xbox specs. General snowball effect of friends buying their friends console, and yes the difference in exclusives between the two companies.

Power matters but it also has to be the first impression as well. Dont act like PS fans aren’t obsessed with power. It runs in your veins since PS3 ;)

Hey anyone loves power and graphic, but when put in the context and priority . Power always be the last. of course this is for me, i bet it's different from one people to another.  

1.Brand loyalty

2.Value

3.Price

4.Content

5.Power

I’d say that’s accurate for a good chunk. Personally I think being brand loyal makes the value aspect a little lower since we’d be buying anyway. I’d personally swap value with content. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

twintail said:
RJTM1991 said: Deleted dumb comment.

That's some really poor sourcing, but others have already explained. That PSNprofiles forum is merely listing games that have received censorship irrespective of whatever Sony's policies are, which already makes it a useless source for your position. Your OAG source, despite being just an all-round rubbish site, contains games that weren't even censored by Sony (such as FF8 which the same site claims was by SE themselves) and Terminator, which had censorship mandated by MS too.

PS guy or not, this is a poor post.

Deleted dumb comment.

Last edited by RJTM1991 - on 16 December 2023

JRPGfan said:
taus90 said:

So MS released bunch of new info regarding xbox series X which was already known, yet it was enough to send fanboys on the internet into frenzy, even though they haven't given out any details that we already didn't know about, nothing yet on amount of RAM, clock speed, gpu specs etc.. but i digress. My point is what is Sony thinking are they misreading the market or they are just not ready with the system. I am not saying that 2006 arrogant sony is back, but the silence over PS5 is getting really annoying, this reminds of the quote by KAZ during ps3 reveal "next generation doesn't start untill we say it does". 

What is going at Sony? I conjured up few scenario based on the words going around on the web.

1. Sony is not ready to reveal PS5 and waiting game to see what MS does regarding the price? 

If they are not ready why even do a wired interview? and if they are playing the waiting game to see what MS is going to price their console, than it just doesn't make any sense.. coz MS is not going to announce the price before e3 2020 and i doubt sony will wait till JUNE to give new details about PS5.

2. Its under powered and Sony is afraid that it will get negative press and set a narrative of 12 vs 9 tf

If its under powered than no amount of delaying the reveal is going to control the damage. it is bound to happen, like it did with Xbox one and PS4. Just reveal the hardware and then for the rest of the year rely on showcasing your strongest asset which are exclusives.

3. It is as powerful or more powerful than series X, and again waiting to see what MS TF numbers are.

Same as point 1. why wait? i m sure that internally these guys know each others target performance will be. not to mention during ps4 it was Sony who came out first and announced their TF number. If Sony were waiting on MS to confirm the TF number.. then hear we go we have the number and vague details, nothing is stopping Sony giving out the same details and reveal the console, and announce the price around E3 

My theory is that, the rumors that sony were planning a 2019 release were true. And the people involved like andrew house, Yoshida, Kaz, shawn layden were the ones who were planning a 2019 release.. And higher Exec saw that 2019 ps5 will be severely under powered in a years time by series x they had to restructure the entire project and reshuffle those incharge.

So maybe the new guys. Herman, Jim Ryan were caught off guard on the best way to reveal PS5 and pulling out of e3 didnt help either. So hopefully for the sake of gamer's I do hope Sony messes up this gen and feel the heat from Xbox.

EDIT

This is just a discussion, not an analysis on how off base I am, everything above is based on speculation and observation, Just wanna know what you guys think why SONY is being quiet.

4) Sony is keeping quiet, because they want to announce the PS5 at a lower price point than Xbox Series X.

Sony has PS4 selling well enough, and still wants to keep selling games on it, so announceing early doesnt make too much sense.
Rather, keeping quiet for aslong as possible, is a way to ensure extra profits. Ontop of this, they want to make 100% sure, that if their unit is "weaker" than the series X, that its atleast sold cheaper.  Until Xbox comes out offically with a price point, Sony wont mention anything.

If PS5 is actually weaker, rather than go into a "spec numbers" war with Xbox series X on social media, they ll just show a sleugh of fantastic looking games & exclusives, and announce a cheaper price point.

Exactly.

Sony could even blame Chinese flu and keep being quite while Microsoft rushes to reveal their glorious machine. Then Sony comes out with a cheaper console and boom: it wins.

PS4 is selling and has sold very well. Microsoft on the other hand, has no choice but move on with a new console.

taus90 said:
Shiken said:
I hate right before new consoles come out. 90% speculation and false info. DOOM and gloom over the smallest factors that may or may not mean anything. And if course....threads like this.

The same thing happened with the Switch, and look how that turned out. No one even knew what the hell the thing was till nearly three months before release. First it was DOOM over the silence, then it was DOOM over the reveal, then it was DOOM over small launch library, now it is DOOM over next gen consoles...

Hell the same thing happened with the PS4 itself when it came to downplay. First MS fixed it, they listened! Then it was X1 has more exlusives in the first year. Then it was the indiestation 4 BS (now sony fans oddly throw that shade at Switch), then it was "their games are just movies", and then, like the Switch, the install base grew so large that haters could not outright Doom and Gloom it.

I hope they do release a state of play soon with more info. Not because sony might "fk up" if they don't, but to shut everyone up when it comes to baseless speculation. If they reveal the thing and they drop the ball like they did with PS3 or MS did with the X1, THEN we can have a decent discussion on the matter. Right now it only serves as a playground for certain fanbases to hope the PS5 flops for some reason with nothing to go on but made up concerns in their head.

you basically are using fanboy innuendos as general narrative across the internet.. but anyways like few out here you are trying to take high road and treating it as if this is a rant thread.. Maybe its because english is not my first language or you just enjoy being dense and having argument instead of a discussion.

Like I said this is discussion. "on why sony is being quiet??" considering they had no qualms about having a lack luster reveal in wired articles. 

You say that this a discussion on why Sony's silent, which is fine, but your thread title is: "Sony is going to mess up". So your bold title alone could mean that you're not about discussing but trying to prove that PS5 is going to fail.

Many, judging by the title and the first few paragraphs, will not see this thread as a discussion on why Sony quiet, but a thread about pointing out how bad PS5 is going to be. That explains all the reactions round here.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


sales2099 said:
HollyGamer said:

Hey anyone loves power and graphic, but when put in the context and priority . Power always be the last. of course this is for me, i bet it's different from one people to another.  

1.Brand loyalty

2.Value

3.Price

4.Content

5.Power

I’d say that’s accurate for a good chunk. Personally I think being brand loyal makes the value aspect a little lower since we’d be buying anyway. I’d personally swap value with content. 

There was this last gen

Kinda puzzling when XBox was deemed to have faster processing power while ps4 had better resolution?

That mostly shows that most consumers are clueless haha.

Better resolution shouldn't be a factor, 8K tv adoption is still zero, both can do native 4K (one would hope)
Blu-ray is dead.
Game library is still unknown yet both have BC this time from the start.
Exclusives are as always personal preference.

It really comes down to price and perceived value. MS needs to market game pass as much as they can, perhaps even add free game pass plus gold for 3 months when you buy the series X. Start with a huge game library of backwards compatible games for those coming back to xbox from ps4. Play all that you missed last gen in the best possible resolution while we have new stuff cooking. Of course, that could also bite them. Selling a heavily subsidized console while encouraging people not to buy any new games, big losses to eat. And Sony can of course match it with there own version of game pass.




SvennoJ said:
sales2099 said:

I’d say that’s accurate for a good chunk. Personally I think being brand loyal makes the value aspect a little lower since we’d be buying anyway. I’d personally swap value with content. 

There was this last gen

Kinda puzzling when XBox was deemed to have faster processing power while ps4 had better resolution?

That mostly shows that most consumers are clueless haha.

Better resolution shouldn't be a factor, 8K tv adoption is still zero, both can do native 4K (one would hope)
Blu-ray is dead.
Game library is still unknown yet both have BC this time from the start.
Exclusives are as always personal preference.

It really comes down to price and perceived value. MS needs to market game pass as much as they can, perhaps even add free game pass plus gold for 3 months when you buy the series X. Start with a huge game library of backwards compatible games for those coming back to xbox from ps4. Play all that you missed last gen in the best possible resolution while we have new stuff cooking. Of course, that could also bite them. Selling a heavily subsidized console while encouraging people not to buy any new games, big losses to eat. And Sony can of course match it with there own version of game pass.


Nielsen is saying that Nintendo is for kids? That's not gonna be allowed. Nielsen will be banned for offending the Nintendo fanbase.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?