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CGI-Quality said:
taus90 said:
Dont know if this topic should be necro bumped.. But feels good to be on this side of the fence of how sony is messing it up, sure they can pull it back, nothing along the lines of MS DRM.. but that was my point MS has been consistently generating positive press for series X, but yet Some people dismissed sony staying silent as a confidence thing that they didnt need to as they are the market leader, yet they ignored the fact they are the market leader for current gen not next gen.

This whole PS5 GDC talk shows how lost sony are, why in the world you would do tech deep dive meant devs and invite without revealing the key console features to general audience?
Secondly I said in my post if PS5 is inferior to series x they should just come out say it and deal with the negative press early on, but here we are Sony found brilliant way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing a tech deep dive just a day after Xbox had their blow out. I mean why would you even announce your tech specs a day after your competition reveal their far superior console specs.

And just to clarify.. I freaking love PS5. but right now sony seems like acting cocky or clueless.. lets see how optimistic you guys can right now

Oh trust, the 'lulz' is coming, but not in the way you predicted in here. Like I said, it'll be fun to revisit this during the holiday, and mainly because you have this confidence.

I have no doubt in the ability of sony world studios to pull things back, they literally were the ones who carried PS3 in seventh generation. and I m pretty sure this will be the case this gen too, But my point is about messaging and how sony seems to be tone deaf, also of anyone you would know better that how successful a console was in previous generation doesn't automatically guarantee success in the next, sure PS5 will outsell Xbox worldwide.. but right now all the momentum is in xbox camp they are doing a mighty fine job of controlling the message with Smart delivery, TF wars, studio acquisition, BC etc and one advantage that sony had over MS was their fleet of WWS, but not anymore, quality remains to be seen. but gone are the days where sony generated relevant headlines due to their exclusives.

By the looks of it in terms of messaging xbox is doing exactly what sony were doing with PS4 which is talking to gamers.



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taus90 said:
Dont know if this topic should be necro bumped.. But feels good to be on this side of the fence of how sony is messing it up, sure they can pull it back, nothing along the lines of MS DRM.. but that was my point MS has been consistently generating positive press for series X, but yet Some people dismissed sony staying silent as a confidence thing that they didnt need to as they are the market leader, yet they ignored the fact they are the market leader for current gen not next gen.

This whole PS5 GDC talk shows how lost sony are, why in the world you would do tech deep dive meant devs and invite without revealing the key console features to general audience?
Secondly I said in my post if PS5 is inferior to series x they should just come out say it and deal with the negative press early on, but here we are Sony found brilliant way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing a tech deep dive just a day after Xbox had their blow out. I mean why would you even announce your tech specs a day after your competition reveal their far superior console specs.

And just to clarify.. I freaking love PS5. but right now sony seems like acting cocky or clueless.. lets see how optimistic you guys can right now

Sony didn't made any marketing for PS5 yet, wait for June onward before drawing any conclusion.



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taus90 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
By tomorrow this thread will be in "bump for the lulz" territory. PS5 will be 2070 Super comparable, at a cheaper price point, and way the hell more games. Series X will sell 45-50 million units, and PS5 will sell 75-80 million units. Add 20 million if Sony keeps exclusives as exclusive, and ditches the Horizon experiment.

Hmmm interesting... Should we bump for the lulz.

I wasn't expecting Sony to spring for a NVME SSD. That's practically M.2 territory. Definitely drives the price up to $450-$500. Otherwise though, it is 2070 Super comparable.



sales2099 said:
Kyuu said:
Some of the same people who are doom and glooming PS5 (so to speak) right now will, in 2021, be talking about how Microsoft shot themselves in the foot and handed the generation on a silver platter to Sony. But more hilarious is the paranoia from PS fans even though Sony has never been in a better position. I predicted PS5 to crush Xbox Series X in terms of hardware sales, and that "it won't matter coz it isn't the direct competition". Only a couple of months after I made that prediction and things are seemingly going as expected with Phil Spencer saying their real competition is Amazon and Google, not Sony and Nintendo.

But hey... I've been wrong before so we'll see how this pans out.

Who said doom and gloom for PS5? I know PS5 will sell more consoles next gen, no question. That said Sony was in a better position with PS2, GameCube and Xbox barely cracked 20 million+, that isn’t the case this gen so its gonna be closer then you think. 

Of course they are direct competitors, Phil just said that in the future if cloud gaming takes off and becomes mainstream, that Google and Amazon are the only companies with Cloud infrastructure. Nintendo won’t follow, they seem to be happy being hardware makers. Sony literally eating from MSs hands with Azure...MS can in theory control what Sony can do with it. All for a low low price that Amazon and Google would surely charge more for :)

That said it comes down to two fan factions having separate definitions of “winning”. Sony fans say that tradition dictates that most consoles is the victory condition. MS taking a different approach in that more active players means victory. Between console, PC users invested in Game Pass and buying their 1st party games, and depending on how much adoption XCloud has, their win condition is possible. 

Microsoft can't control Sony just because PS is outsourcing streaming through Microsoft Azure. Microsoft Azure is not Microsoft Xbox.

The same way that Amazon Prime Video doesn't control Netflix just because Netflix does outsource streaming via Amazon WS. Amazon WS is not Amazon Prime Video.

Conglomerates like Microsoft, Sony, Apple, Google, Sansung et al all outsource and by things from each other. This is common practice and it doesn't cause any issues between their units competition.



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sales2099 said:

Who said doom and gloom for PS5? I know PS5 will sell more consoles next gen, no question. That said Sony was in a better position with PS2, GameCube and Xbox barely cracked 20 million+, that isn’t the case this gen so its gonna be closer then you think. 

Of course they are direct competitors, Phil just said that in the future if cloud gaming takes off and becomes mainstream, that Google and Amazon are the only companies with Cloud infrastructure. Nintendo won’t follow, they seem to be happy being hardware makers. Sony literally eating from MSs hands with Azure...MS can in theory control what Sony can do with it. All for a low low price that Amazon and Google would surely charge more for :)

That said it comes down to two fan factions having separate definitions of “winning”. Sony fans say that tradition dictates that most consoles is the victory condition. MS taking a different approach in that more active players means victory. Between console, PC users invested in Game Pass and buying their 1st party games, and depending on how much adoption XCloud has, their win condition is possible. 

Microsoft can't control Sony just because PS is outsourcing streaming through Microsoft Azure. Microsoft Azure is not Microsoft Xbox.

The same way that Amazon Prime Video doesn't control Netflix just because Netflix does outsource streaming via Amazon WS. Amazon WS is not Amazon Prime Video.

Conglomerates like Microsoft, Sony, Apple, Google, Sansung et al all outsource and by things from each other. This is common practice and it doesn't cause any issues between their units competition.

Either way I seriously doubt Sony will allow PSNow to function on smartphones independent from console ownership. At least for many years 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

taus90 said:
Dont know if this topic should be necro bumped.. But feels good to be on this side of the fence of how sony is messing it up, sure they can pull it back, nothing along the lines of MS DRM.. but that was my point MS has been consistently generating positive press for series X, but yet Some people dismissed sony staying silent as a confidence thing that they didnt need to as they are the market leader, yet they ignored the fact they are the market leader for current gen not next gen.

This whole PS5 GDC talk shows how lost sony are, why in the world you would do tech deep dive meant devs and invite without revealing the key console features to general audience?
Secondly I said in my post if PS5 is inferior to series x they should just come out say it and deal with the negative press early on, but here we are Sony found brilliant way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing a tech deep dive just a day after Xbox had their blow out. I mean why would you even announce your tech specs a day after your competition reveal their far superior console specs.

And just to clarify.. I freaking love PS5. but right now sony seems like acting cocky or clueless.. lets see how optimistic you guys can right now

I don't feel Sony messed anything up here other than releasing a weaker console. Even then depending on the price of the Xbox series X they might not have even done that. It does bother me that Sony has the weaker console though I wont lie. At the end of the day though I just don't enjoy the games Xbox has I can't think of any must play games that Xbox has. I don't really enjoy Halo and while I bought my 360 for Gears of War and Mass Effect I'm tired of Gears of war and ME is multiplat. 

MS bought a lot of studios so maybe so more good stuff will come out but MS's history has always just been horrible when it comes to running other studios. So will see how that goes. The first game they announced already doesn't sound great. Hellblade 2, while the first one had a lot of great things about the gameplay was some of the worst I've played in a long time.



Cerebralbore101 said:
taus90 said:

Hmmm interesting... Should we bump for the lulz.

I wasn't expecting Sony to spring for a NVME SSD. That's practically M.2 territory. Definitely drives the price up to $450-$500. Otherwise though, it is 2070 Super comparable.

for me i wasn't expecting a dedicated SoC for flash controller which does more than just decompression unit. it basically takes on other data related task that could have used either CPU or GPU.. 



method114 said:
taus90 said:
Dont know if this topic should be necro bumped.. But feels good to be on this side of the fence of how sony is messing it up, sure they can pull it back, nothing along the lines of MS DRM.. but that was my point MS has been consistently generating positive press for series X, but yet Some people dismissed sony staying silent as a confidence thing that they didnt need to as they are the market leader, yet they ignored the fact they are the market leader for current gen not next gen.

This whole PS5 GDC talk shows how lost sony are, why in the world you would do tech deep dive meant devs and invite without revealing the key console features to general audience?
Secondly I said in my post if PS5 is inferior to series x they should just come out say it and deal with the negative press early on, but here we are Sony found brilliant way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing a tech deep dive just a day after Xbox had their blow out. I mean why would you even announce your tech specs a day after your competition reveal their far superior console specs.

And just to clarify.. I freaking love PS5. but right now sony seems like acting cocky or clueless.. lets see how optimistic you guys can right now

I don't feel Sony messed anything up here other than releasing a weaker console. Even then depending on the price of the Xbox series X they might not have even done that. It does bother me that Sony has the weaker console though I wont lie. At the end of the day though I just don't enjoy the games Xbox has I can't think of any must play games that Xbox has. I don't really enjoy Halo and while I bought my 360 for Gears of War and Mass Effect I'm tired of Gears of war and ME is multiplat. 

MS bought a lot of studios so maybe so more good stuff will come out but MS's history has always just been horrible when it comes to running other studios. So will see how that goes. The first game they announced already doesn't sound great. Hellblade 2, while the first one had a lot of great things about the gameplay was some of the worst I've played in a long time.

My opinion is completely opposite.. being a developer I m excited what Sony has to offer, although I wont developing for it.. but the core philosophy is in line with how mobile phone uses it SoC, which i develop for.. direct access to storage along with the RAM. Streaming assets will be far better on PS5 than xbox SX.

But my disappointment still remains on the marketing side of the thing, Just look at the BC messaging it took sony 2 days to come out and say PS5 support full PS4 library..



taus90 said:
method114 said:

I don't feel Sony messed anything up here other than releasing a weaker console. Even then depending on the price of the Xbox series X they might not have even done that. It does bother me that Sony has the weaker console though I wont lie. At the end of the day though I just don't enjoy the games Xbox has I can't think of any must play games that Xbox has. I don't really enjoy Halo and while I bought my 360 for Gears of War and Mass Effect I'm tired of Gears of war and ME is multiplat. 

MS bought a lot of studios so maybe so more good stuff will come out but MS's history has always just been horrible when it comes to running other studios. So will see how that goes. The first game they announced already doesn't sound great. Hellblade 2, while the first one had a lot of great things about the gameplay was some of the worst I've played in a long time.

My opinion is completely opposite.. being a developer I m excited what Sony has to offer, although I wont developing for it.. but the core philosophy is in line with how mobile phone uses it SoC, which i develop for.. direct access to storage along with the RAM. Streaming assets will be far better on PS5 than xbox SX.

But my disappointment still remains on the marketing side of the thing, Just look at the BC messaging it took sony 2 days to come out and say PS5 support full PS4 library..

Mark Cerny was already clear when he said they put the PS4 logic inside PS5 and that the top 100 were tested and worked. People just run with the 100 as if it meant anything else.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."