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Sony should eat the cost ... 27 42.19%
 
I don't mind 499 USD PS5 ... 18 28.13%
 
499 USD is very cheap i will buy 3 5 7.81%
 
As long it comes with Kna... 10 15.63%
 
Shut up just give us the ... 4 6.25%
 
Total:64
Nu-13 on 22 February 2020
Xxain said:
Selling the PS5 at lost will not be a big deal like it was with PS3 because of PSN. I dont think this point has been driven home hard enough. I dont mind a PS5 at 499, but if SONY sold it 399, PSN will more than cover the cost. They made 12.8billion from PSN in 2018

Pretty sure that's revenue, not profit.



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HoangNhatAnh on 22 February 2020
Xxain said:
Selling the PS5 at lost will not be a big deal like it was with PS3 because of PSN. I dont think this point has been driven home hard enough. I dont mind a PS5 at 499, but if SONY sold it 399, PSN will more than cover the cost. They made 12.8billion from PSN in 2018

That is revenue



drkohler on 22 February 2020
Pemalite said:

It's not. It's misleading and sometimes even blatantly false.

You can have a GPU that is absolutely identical in every way, but if you hamper it with DDR4 instead of GDDR5/6, then it's performance can be less than half.
We saw this with the Geforce 1030 DDR4 vs GDDR5 variants.

And Radeon 7750 DDR3 vs GDDR5.

And so many more.

Both consoles use gddr6 as memory. Your strawman falls flat on its nose right from the start.



method114 on 22 February 2020

Not sure which is going to be the most powerful console or the price but people are dreaming if they think that's all anyone cares about. I'm not giving up my PS4 Library and trophies for a more powerful console that doesn't even have a proven library. MS is going to spend all next gen proving to me that they can actually deliver when it comes to games before I can even consider buying their console. The single player experiences that Sony is dishing out is unrivaled.



HoangNhatAnh on 22 February 2020
CGI-Quality said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

That is revenue

Irrelevant. The point is they made money on the service. Yes, operating profit.

So, his point was correct.

I thought the profit is way more important? Making big money will be useless if you also spend as much.



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Nu-13 on 22 February 2020
CGI-Quality said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

I thought the profit is way more important? Making big money will be useless if you also spend as much.

Profit is more important, but irrelevant to his point, because they made money (again, that’s what Operating Profit means). Saying that it’s ‘revenue only’ simply doesn’t matter in this case because the service is profitable.

Read the link I posted.

His information doesn't say HOW profitable it is and that is the point.



drkohler on 22 February 2020
Xxain said:
Selling the PS5 at lost will not be a big deal like it was with PS3 because of PSN.

No that was not the reason.



Pemalite on 22 February 2020
drkohler said:
Pemalite said:

It's not. It's misleading and sometimes even blatantly false.

You can have a GPU that is absolutely identical in every way, but if you hamper it with DDR4 instead of GDDR5/6, then it's performance can be less than half.
We saw this with the Geforce 1030 DDR4 vs GDDR5 variants.

And Radeon 7750 DDR3 vs GDDR5.

And so many more.

Both consoles use gddr6 as memory. Your strawman falls flat on its nose right from the start.

Er. No. My argument doesn't. Nor is it a strawman, you might have your fallacies mixed up, not sure. - The topic is performance which I have kept my argument focused on. - You can have identical teraflops, but wildly different real-world performance.
Even a GPU with more teraflops can end up slower than a GPU with less teraflops.

* We don't know what speed the memory is in either console.
* We don't know the capacity of the memory is in either console.
* We don't know the CPU clocks.
* We don't know how many functional units the GPU has. (I.E. Ray Tracing cores.)




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Trumpstyle on 23 February 2020
CGI-Quality said:

Thank you for reading my post, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. As they both using same Gpu architecture (Navi) using TF as an easy way discussing gpu performance. As what the gamers will see is what I wrote before, resolution. I don't expect it to be as big as a different as we saw with PS4 Pro and Xbox one X even with a 3TF gap. PS5 might have some advantages, first we saw from github leak that XsX has only 560 GB/s memory bandwidth and PS5 could have upwards 576 GB/s memory speed, this will give PS5 higher Perf/TF if now XsX has lower memory bandwidth per TF.

I also know this technical stuff, which is why we continue to educate you on it. Of course, I already knew the answer to my question, and even though you say you don’t claim to know how this stuff works, you continue to use the teraflop argument. As we’ve told you, they aren’t a measure of console (or PC) performance. They are a theoretical. The architecture of the two machines is irrelevant (particularly now, as no final specs have been revealed). 

If you say you don’t know this stuff like many of us, then you should absorb the info instead of arguing so much. 

I have already read almost every post from Pemalite and Drohler on this site and some from Vivster. I just don't agree with you or Pemalite and expect to be proven right when eurogamer makes their head to head comparison of next-gen games. Note I do think Sony might have a slight edge in Perf/TF because of those reasons I mentioned before.



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Pemalite on 23 February 2020
Trumpstyle said:
CGI-Quality said:

I also know this technical stuff, which is why we continue to educate you on it. Of course, I already knew the answer to my question, and even though you say you don’t claim to know how this stuff works, you continue to use the teraflop argument. As we’ve told you, they aren’t a measure of console (or PC) performance. They are a theoretical. The architecture of the two machines is irrelevant (particularly now, as no final specs have been revealed). 

If you say you don’t know this stuff like many of us, then you should absorb the info instead of arguing so much. 

I have already read almost every post from Pemalite and Drohler on this site and some from Vivster. I just don't agree with you or Pemalite and expect to be proven right when eurogamer makes their head to head comparison of next-gen games. Note I do think Sony might have a slight edge in Perf/TF because of those reasons I mentioned before.

Kinda difficult to be wrong when you have pretty much made every guess under the sun?



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