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Forums - Sony Discussion - PS5 Price Will Likely Be Determined by Xbox Series X Price

HollyGamer on 05 February 2020
drkohler said:
HollyGamer said:

"Totoki implies that Sony is waiting to see what the price of the Xbox Series X will be before putting a price on the PS5, so as to be competitive"

He implied absolutely nothing like that.

I don't know where you get these weird ideas from, but you are completely wrong.

Stuff like this is basically set by putting a money limit on the key components. In our case, the SoC and memory). A time goes on, reconsideration of all kind of factors are taken into account (keeping the set price within +/- 10%). These "minor" factors include about 5492645 things, absolutely none of which include how or when any competitors announce a price. This is serious money that has to be accounted for- right at the start.

I highly doubt Sony is planning to loose significant amounts of money on the PS5 hardware. We can pretty much guesstimate that MS isn't shy of doing it (after all, they have been throwing money down the hardware pit on the X1 for years like there is no tomorrow), but to each his own.

Don't blame me, i just the messenger . I just opening some discussion . Feel free to give some comment to IGN 



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Azzanation on 05 February 2020

Its obvious. Probably waiting on Lockhart aswell.



victor83fernandes on 05 February 2020
method114 said:
funkateer2 said:
Rumors are that while MS will have the GPU TF benefit, Sony's console will have a faster and larger SSD and faster RAM. How that will work out exactly, I'm not sure, but raw TF numbers are becoming less significant.
I'm expecting that MS Series X will be mildly more expensive than PS5, while MS Series S (or whatever the cheap option will be called) will be mildly cheaper. MS seems rather conservative by not wanting to break compatibility with even the launch X1, while Sony seems to be a bit more daring by not guaranteeing that next gen games will be playable on PS4 models.

I'm really skeptical about the BC topic. MS says it's going to be there and Sony seems hesitant but they did say all their first party titles would be. It seems like Sony doesn't want to say it will be 100% BC because they could end up being responsible for patching various games that don't work out of the box. It makes me wonder if MS is just claiming 100% BC but can't really do that because they would have to play every single game ever released on the X1 and verify it works. MS is well known for saying things that are hyperbole or just flat out wrong. 

The difference is, xbox is easier to emulate, the ps3 and ps2 had very different chips, so unless the ps5 comes with a ps3 chip (extra manufacturing cost) then it wont play the ps2 and ps3 discs at all, and I fully believe the emulation will continue to be the PS Now which makes profits for Sony, PS5 will only play ps4 discs that's my bet. There's no way that sony would take the time, effort and cost of patching thousands of games, even Microsoft took years to patch hundreds of 360 games, at least Microsoft already have those patched.

Me personally Im happy with only ps4 emulation, to be honest ps2 and ps3 graphics are already very dated, and will become more so very soon, besides, theres many new good games to play, no way I'd go back, in fact Im happier if they would continue remasters, I'd rather pay for much better improved graphics and performance, and to be honest most great games were already remastered from generation 6 - Last of us, God of war 3, Uncharted collection, Bioshock collection, Batman games. In my opinion from that generation we just needed a metal gear 4 remaster, and a Mass effect trilogy remaster, but I'd be happier with a mass effect reboot instead.



Leynos on 05 February 2020
victor83fernandes said:
Leynos said:
I hope PS5 is $400

That is impossible, Sony wont be taking losses on sales, and ps5 will come with at least 500SSD, that alone costs like 100 dollars. Even with the cheapest plastics for the chassis, ps5 could never be 400 dollars, 450 will be minimum. And if rumours are right about ps1, ps2 and ps3 compatibility then even more because the ps3 chip is still not cheap.

I'm willing to bet with anyone minimum 450dollars, most likely 499dollars with 500gb SSD and 550dollars with 1TB SSD

I know. I just said I hope. As in I wish. I didn't say it would.



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sales2099 on 05 February 2020
HollyGamer said:
sales2099 said:

Careful, your fanboy is showing. It’s unbecoming to compare a mediocre game to ones that aren’t out yet. You deflected the actual point instead of taking the L. Until Sony announces something other then a font, Xbox has more new IPs and games. My the times are starting to change 

I am sorry if speak about reality , reality is harsh. But i just i want give you a hint that, Xbox have not yet prove anything nor they made a change except some hope and dream. You can argue Xbox has great games if the games already came out and has a lot of sales, high meta critique and can compete directly with Playstation. Even Phil Spencer dont want to compete with Playstation and Nintendo and choose to compete the nonexistent Google and Amazon. 

You right that it’s all unproven. You got me there. I just clearly stated that Xbox has more announced new IP then Sony at this point. Until Sony breaks their silence you are more then welcome to chime in. 

But like I said, it’s unbecoming to write off games that aren’t released yet. It’s not something rooted in proper debate. You won’t see me doing that until I see the Metacritic score. 

And I ask you to consider that what Ms is doing isn’t so different then Nintendo. They couldn’t compete with the N64 and GameCube so they go off the grid and make their own market with the Wii/WiiU and Switch. Competitors in gaming sure but not direct competitors. MS has their eye on the mobile console-gaming streaming market. Something untapped and currently only occupied by the failing Stadia. And something Nintendo or Sony do not have the infrastructure to follow. So the statement isn’t wrong, Xbox is now competing on multiple fronts. 

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Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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sales2099 on 05 February 2020

On topic, I see Sony waiting post E3...MS pretty much has to make a number appear on stage. It’s amusing that Sony is willing to take a hit to remain competitive, so this can only be good for everyone as each will try to outmaneuver.

That said, I don’t think they can do much against the cheaper Lockhart console which I think will ensure NA and UK overall sales. And I very much believe in the sub $100 Xcloud console rumour, releasing sometime in the next few years. That’ll be a great loophole around investing in a proper console ecosystem, and make a dent in markets Xbox has a tougher time in.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

method114 on 05 February 2020
victor83fernandes said:
AlbiNecroxz said:
And what if Xbox Series X price will be determined by PS5 price? We're gonna in a loop lol

The big difference is Microsoft can and will take losses on sales, Sony cant afford to do that, at best they would sell it without profits, that's the best they would do and that means minimum 450dollars.

Microsoft could do an underpowered series X for 400dollars, taking a loss on each sale, and a more powerful console for 450 taking a loss on each sale, people have to realize these consoles will be way more powerful than an xbox X, also the SSD increases the cost substantially, 1TB SSD is not cheap at all.

Yep but this gen is going to be defined by more than just who is cheaper. With BC people aren't just leaving their console of choice so easily.



SwitchUP on 05 February 2020

It will be determined by the x series? As opposed to what its ACTUALLY worth? Wtf?



SwitchUP on 05 February 2020
CGI-Quality said:
victor83fernandes said:

The big difference is Microsoft can and will take losses on sales, Sony cant afford to do that, at best they would sell it without profits, that's the best they would do and that means minimum 450dollars.

Microsoft could do an underpowered series X for 400dollars, taking a loss on each sale, and a more powerful console for 450 taking a loss on each sale, people have to realize these consoles will be way more powerful than an xbox X, also the SSD increases the cost substantially, 1TB SSD is not cheap at all.

Both companies can take losses on the hardware. Yes, both can afford it. Doesn’t mean they will, but they can afford it.

Sony cant. They were atop an empire before the ps2... then the ps3 almost bankrupted them. How quickly we forget a poorly thought out system can drown a company like sony in multi billions in losses for basically the entire gen. Microsoft can afford it... sorry, sony just cant. They arent the big dogs anymore as far as size. They make money... jow... but they sure as hell cant waste it. That's just laughable. 



EricHiggin on 06 February 2020
SwitchUP said:
CGI-Quality said:

Both companies can take losses on the hardware. Yes, both can afford it. Doesn’t mean they will, but they can afford it.

Sony cant. They were atop an empire before the ps2... then the ps3 almost bankrupted them. How quickly we forget a poorly thought out system can drown a company like sony in multi billions in losses for basically the entire gen. Microsoft can afford it... sorry, sony just cant. They arent the big dogs anymore as far as size. They make money... jow... but they sure as hell cant waste it. That's just laughable. 

If PS3 almost bankrupted SNY because they couldn't afford it, then how are they in the position they are in now with PS4? 

Not sure how PS4 has ever been able to go on sale then. Unless PS was still making money at that point. In which case you have to wonder, why didn't MS ever make the price difference between PS4 and XB1, $100, or even $200 cheaper? Why wasn't XB1X launched at $299 or less if MS is so keen on losing money on hardware to gain market share?

If it's as simple as, 'just drop the price by hundreds, who cares, we aren't here to make money', then why hasn't MS done so yet? Isn't it MS who was poking fun at SNY about why they were 'taking so long' with cross play? Gamers are still waiting for their $99 XB1X. Man MS is such a greedy anti-consumer company don't you think?...