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Is Biden's campaign no longer viable?

Yes, his campaign is dead! 31 46.27%
 
His campaign is badly hur... 15 22.39%
 
He will take a small hit,... 5 7.46%
 
No, this result will not hurt his campaign. 7 10.45%
 
Donald Trump will win the democratic primary! 9 13.43%
 
Total:67

Bernie should still win the plurality of delegates but I'm not sure if he wins the majority. I hope so



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Dulfite said:
axumblade said:

Eh....I wouldn't call either of them outright Socialists. Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, which is still not completely left, just more left than any other other candidates. Warren is a Capitalist with some Socialist ideas. 

Democratic Socialist is a mouthful and I'd imagine to most Americans they couldn't distinguish the two if their ideas were on a T chart. In any case, I can't use liberals and moderates now, because the moderates have become liberal and the liberals have become ultra liberal. 

Republican party has swung hard right with Tea Party and Trump with the judges. Democrats have swung far left with Green New Deal. There aren't really moderates represented anymore.

The republicans have moved to the right ever since Reagan, but the Tea party has certainly accelerated that move. Trump is the provisional conclusion of that movement.

Meanwhile calling the democrats as far left is from an European oint of view just laughable. The democratic party as a whole would be considered a center-right party over here, with Sanders and to a lesser degree Warren more fitting in a social democratic party. Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist, but he's too far to the right to truly adhere to that ideal, and got called out for this from actual democratic socialists.



Eagle367 said:
Bernie should still win the plurality of delegates but I'm not sure if he wins the majority. I hope so

The fivethirtyeight model currently shows that it unlikely anyone to gain a majority of the delegates at 62% but as of this morning it gives biden a better chance at 30% then Sanders 8%.  It also predicting Biden has a better chance the Bernie of getting a plurality.  The average of there simulation has biden at 1728 and sanders at 1358.

Of coerce this could change greatly tomorrow if the results of today primaries are not close to what fivethirtyeight model is predicting currently.

All am saying is the math no longer showing that sanders is the clear front runner like is was only a few days ago. 

Personally my gut feeling is it a coin flip between Bernie and Biden at this moment but for one of them the path going to get much harder after the results of super Tuesday is known. Bernie really need to be ahead of Biden when all the delegates for super Tuesday is assign if he want to win this thing.



Cyran said:
Eagle367 said:
Bernie should still win the plurality of delegates but I'm not sure if he wins the majority. I hope so

The fivethirtyeight model currently shows that it unlikely anyone to gain a majority of the delegates at 62% but as of this morning it gives biden a better chance at 30% then Sanders 8%.  It also predicting Biden has a better chance the Bernie of getting a plurality.  The average of there simulation has biden at 1728 and sanders at 1358.

Of coerce this could change greatly tomorrow if the results of today primaries are not close to what fivethirtyeight model is predicting currently.

All am saying is the math no longer showing that sanders is the clear front runner like is was only a few days ago. 

Personally my gut feeling is it a coin flip between Bernie and Biden at this moment but for one of them the path going to get much harder after the results of super Tuesday is known. Bernie really need to be ahead of Biden when all the delegates for super Tuesday is assign if he want to win this thing.

Yeah, the race changed substantially over the last two/three days. I agree that it is a coin flip currently, we will probably/maybe see the side it fell to today after the Super Tuesday result.



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The past few days have been a roller-coaster. Joe Biden has always been a decent man, but he's always failed to bring legitimate excitement from me.

When Pete endorsed Joe last night, it wasn't just a one sided exchange. Joe talked about Pete, and while doing so, he was also endorsing a new, younger generation of moral, capable, compassionate, and empathetic leaders for the Democratic party.

This was never about himself. He is the giant on whose shoulders the new generation of the Democratic party can stand on. He is the one who can heal the divide of our country. Move us in a positive direction. This is not about only defeating Donald Trump, but to rid us of Trumpism and the negative rethoric itself. He is not trying to hold the torch of America to himself, but he's protecting the flame, and passing it on to future leaders.

This is not about protecting an old and outdated ideology. This is about leading with unity. Not with anger. Not with division. Not with populism. The future of the Democratic Party can take many forms. It will inevitably go on a more progressive direction with the generational change. And that's a good thing.

But Joe wants to lead us to that future with decency and unity. Save the soul of America.



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axumblade said:
Cyran said:

The fivethirtyeight model currently shows that it unlikely anyone to gain a majority of the delegates at 62% but as of this morning it gives biden a better chance at 30% then Sanders 8%.  It also predicting Biden has a better chance the Bernie of getting a plurality.  The average of there simulation has biden at 1728 and sanders at 1358.

Of coerce this could change greatly tomorrow if the results of today primaries are not close to what fivethirtyeight model is predicting currently.

All am saying is the math no longer showing that sanders is the clear front runner like is was only a few days ago. 

Personally my gut feeling is it a coin flip between Bernie and Biden at this moment but for one of them the path going to get much harder after the results of super Tuesday is known. Bernie really need to be ahead of Biden when all the delegates for super Tuesday is assign if he want to win this thing.

If Warren dropped out and endorsed Bernie, it might help his chances but it's likely too late for that to happen. 

Speaking of dropping out and endorsing Bernie, why is Tulsi still running? She should have dropped a long time ago, but the way it is, she is mostly stealing Bernie votes right now.



SpokenTruth said:
Moren said:
The past few days have been a roller-coaster. Joe Biden has always been a decent man, but he's always failed to bring legitimate excitement from me.

When Pete endorsed Joe last night, it wasn't just a one sided exchange. Joe talked about Pete, and while doing so, he was also endorsing a new, younger generation of moral, capable, compassionate, and empathetic leaders for the Democratic party.

This was never about himself. He is the giant on whose shoulders the new generation of the Democratic party can stand on. He is the one who can heal the divide of our country. Move us in a positive direction. This is not about only defeating Donald Trump, but to rid us of Trumpism and the negative rethoric itself. He is not trying to hold the torch of America to himself, but he's protecting the flame, and passing it on to future leaders.

This is not about protecting an old and outdated ideology. This is about leading with unity. Not with anger. Not with division. Not with populism. The future of the Democratic Party can take many forms. It will inevitably go on a more progressive direction with the generational change. And that's a good thing.

But Joe wants to lead us to that future with decency and unity. Save the soul of America.

I hate to say this but it's all about maintaining that status quo.  That all sounds good but what substance does Biden bring?  What change can we expect from a party leadership that is fighting to prevent any changes?

Did Biden inspire an AOC?  If we're talking about the youth and future of the party, why not stand behind the guy that is actually inspiring that youth and future?  Hell, Buttigieg himself even wrote about Sanders....not Biden.

How many more people must suffer through crap wages, no healthcare, endless wars and crushing debt? We had a real opportunity here and we pissing it all away to appease some party elites that never had to deal with any of that to begin with.

You don't hate to say it.

The future can be more progressive. Biden is running  the much to the left of Obama.

Sanders might represent fast change and a revolution. But there is a lot of underlying anger and resentment that has plagued his message. You can't enact meaningful change if you burn every bridge in your path. You can't heal the nation if you're going to be an unapologetic populist and surround yourself with the worst staffers and yes-men you can find.

The progressive wing of the party could have had Warren. She had almost the same platform as Sanders, but was willing to unify, not alienate.

But not even that compromise was good enough.

Regardless, everyone here is getting too ahead. We'll see what happens tonight.



I get the impression, reading many of the comments on this thread, that I'm the only conservative here haha. I initially thought this would be a topic anyone could address, not just Democrats, but then again the majority of people on this site are in sure on the younger side so I guess it makes sense I find myself all alone here (even though I'm 29 and have been conservative since I was in middle school).


Just cause I'm conservative doesn't mean I don't find this all fascinating and want to discuss it. I've been watching a lot of the debates and speeches to stay up to date (and for amusement).


I remember in 2007-2008 my best friend (die hard liberal at the time) and I were talking non stop about polls, primary's, elections, speeches, etc. We both supported nobody's (him, Obama. Me, Huckabee). Was a blast to go back and forth with him in a friendly way.



All of the establishment has rallied behind Joe Biden and that certainly has given him a bump. We'll see where things end up after today to truly get an idea whether the full force of the establishment is enough to stop the grassroots multigenerational multiracial revolutionary movement of the common people rallying around someone who has fought for them for decades. I hope the US chooses more widely than India, UK, Brazil, Canada, Australia and others. It's hard constantly losing hope in people from country to country when you follow world politics.

Last edited by Eagle367 - on 04 March 2020

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How can Democrats get behind the same equation that lost in 2016? And on top of that, I'd rather see Trump in office first than Biden, to be perfectly honest.

Disappointing results altogether.



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