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Will Switch get AAA support after 9-th gen consoles launch

Yes, as good or better 25 34.25%
 
Yes, but less games 18 24.66%
 
Yes, Switch will get exclusives 11 15.07%
 
No, just spinoff games 9 12.33%
 
No, Switch will get dropped 10 13.70%
 
Total:73
curl-6 on 06 February 2020
Mnementh said:
  • a few technically interesting ports of older current gen titles (Doom, Witcher)

Not just "older" current gen games. It's getting Outer Worlds and Doom Eternal, 2019 and 2020 initial releases respectively and late current gen games.



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Pyro as Bill on 06 February 2020

There's no way a Nintendo handheld can get the latest AAA 3rd party titles.



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0D0 on 07 February 2020
Mnementh said:
MajorMalfunction said:

With PS5 and Xbox Series X coming out at the end of the year, do you think Switch will get ports in 2020 and beyond? I don't think so. Here's why: With the launch of new consoles, developers will be porting games in a short time frame. This means less engineering bandwidth available for Switch.

Second, with next gen consoles having 30x the GPU capability (Switch handheld - handheld is the limiting factor), less focus will be given to scaling down, and more focus given to scaling up. Some games like Cyberpunk 2077 have reportedly had issues with the base Xbox One. This rules out a Switch port IMO. Unless it's farmed out to a porting house, and the game's content and engine allow it, it's probably not going to happen.

Third is new engines. Related to point 2, but worth expanding on, developers will be working with new engines because of the console launches. Probably not until 2021 or 2022, but it's going to happen. Better lighting and shading techniques comes from the research community. As an example, deferred shading was first written about in 1988. There's a surplus of good research that's already been done, but not implementable efficiently, mostly because hardware hasn't quite caught up yet. My prediction is that developers will try to reduce bake times and improve quality by using techniques the Switch can't handle at target frame-rate. My prediction is that Switch gets left behind. I'd like to be wrong, but it's the conclusion I've come to by looking at the data available.

This whole thread depends on the premise that Switch currently gets big publisher AAA support. But it just doesn't. Currently Switch gets the following support from 3rd-parties:

  • Indies
  • remakes and remasters of old classics (like Final Fantasy VII or Resident Evil)
  • ports from WiiU/X360/PS3-era
  • lower tier japanese games (Dragon Quest Builders)
  • a few technically interesting ports of older current gen titles (Doom, Witcher)

But the main games from current gen are already all missing on Switch: Jedi Fallen Order, Anthem, Fallout 76, Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil Remake, Final Fantasy XV. So basically nothing would change with the introduction of new consoles. Indies and remasters of old games work as well as before and the big AAA-titles didn't came over anyways. Maybe we would see less of stuff like Doom and Witcher, but that was anyways about once a year a title or so. So doesn't move the needle (although cool).

Barkley said:
Otter said:

Keep in mind the Switch rarely gets 3rd party, multiplat support outside of indie games. Of the big 30 or so AAA games released each year, the Switch gets maybe 4?

I don't see this changing

Some of the multiplat games Switch missed in 2019:

Ace Combat 7
Life is Strange 2
Resident Evil 2
Kingdom Hearts 3
Apex Legends
Far Cry New Dawn
Metro Exodus
Anthem
Dirt Rally 2
Dead or Alive 6
Devil May Cry 5
The Division 2
Sekiro
World War Z
A Plauge Tale
Rage 2
MotoGP 19
F1 2019
Madden 20
Control
Borderlands 3
Ghost Recon Breakpoint
Grid
Plants vs Zombies Battle for Neighbourville
Call of Duty Modern Warfare
Need for Speed Heat
Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order

Yes Switch is already missing a lot of third party titles, so PS5/XSX making ports less viable is going to make very little difference.

Agreed with both posts above.

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DonFerrari on 07 February 2020
padib said:
The better question is "Will PS5/XBX get 3rd party support after Switch?"

That is a hard thing to answer



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nuckles87 on 07 February 2020

It’s not as if support for Xbox One and PS4 are going to just dry up the moment the PS5 and Xbox Series X come out. Between those two consoles and the Switch will be an install base of over 200 million, so developers aren’t just going to ditch them.

There has been an increased focus on scaleability over the last generation, and there’s going to be plenty of incentive to continue that going into the next one. Switch’s third party support will be fine, at least for a few years.



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curl-6 on 07 February 2020
Radek said:

There's still a lot of 2016-2020 PS4 ports the Switch could get once devs shifted focus to PS5.

Btw. I think PS4 actually might be like PS2 and receive dumbed down third party ports for another 3 years just like PS2 did until 2009.

Agreed on both counts.

PS3/360 still got crossgen games in 2014 and 2015; this upcoming generational transition will likely play out similarly I expect.



curl-6 on 07 February 2020
John2290 said:
Half the people in this poll are in denial. Switch is dead in the water, not even an upgrade or a new fully fledged hybrid console could keep up with the leap in hardware here. After the initial cross gen period, Switch ain't getting shit on the big budget front but spin offs. It's not feasible.

Switch is already getting hardly any big budget current gen games, so it won't make a significant difference. It's shown it can succeed without those games, and there's no reason it won't continue to get the lower budget, smaller scale games that comprise the vast majority of its current third party catalog. 



Jumpin on 08 February 2020
John2290 said:
curl-6 said:

Switch is already getting hardly any big budget current gen games, so it won't make a significant difference. It's shown it can succeed without those games, and there's no reason it won't continue to get the lower budget, smaller scale games that comprise the vast majority of its current third party catalog. 

That's a different thread then. I doubt indie devs will increase their graphics all that much or follow up on RTing or any of that shit.

You’re actually the one who’s not quite on topic. The topic Is how third party support will compare after the PS5 launch.

If developers feel there is a market for their games on Switch, then Switch will keep getting games. They don’t necessarily have to be the sort of high fidelity games that can only come out on hardware like the PS5. It’s clear there has been a general market trend away from high fidelity games in the past 15 years that’s been accelerating.



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SammyGiireal on 08 February 2020
curl-6 said:

Yes, it will still get support, because 95% of its third party support is comprised of non-demanding games such as indies, older ports, exclusives, and other non-AAA fare that will not be based on/restricted to PS5/XSX spec.

This. I foresee a lot of remasters from the 360-PS3, we are actually getting Metro Redux on Switch now. As programmers and teams get more proficient at optimizations and the hardware I think we will also see some ports or current gen (PS4-X1) games...we did get Witcher 3 after all.



curl-6 on 08 February 2020
SammyGiireal said:
curl-6 said:

Yes, it will still get support, because 95% of its third party support is comprised of non-demanding games such as indies, older ports, exclusives, and other non-AAA fare that will not be based on/restricted to PS5/XSX spec.

This. I foresee a lot of remasters from the 360-PS3, we are actually getting Metro Redux on Switch now. As programmers and teams get more proficient at optimizations and the hardware I think we will also see some ports or current gen (PS4-X1) games...we did get Witcher 3 after all.

Yeah there's still a couple of PS4/Xbone games I'd like to see ported like RE7 and Nier Automata.

John2290 said:
curl-6 said:

Switch is already getting hardly any big budget current gen games, so it won't make a significant difference. It's shown it can succeed without those games, and there's no reason it won't continue to get the lower budget, smaller scale games that comprise the vast majority of its current third party catalog. 

That's a different thread then. I doubt indie devs will increase their graphics all that much or follow up on RTing or any of that shit.

The thread is "will Switch get third party support post PS5?" not "will Switch get PS5/XSX AAA multiplats?"