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What do you think

Yes 2 6.06%
 
I fully agree 9 27.27%
 
100% Microsoft will win this generation 1 3.03%
 
I hope Xbox will win this generation 2 6.06%
 
Corona Virus will win in the end 2 6.06%
 
No, I don't think Microso... 17 51.52%
 
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HollyGamer on 31 January 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
HollyGamer said:


Yes it can be both, but if it's both then Gamepass will just be a regular service for Xbox, nothing great nothing special and it will change nothing or add nothing to Industries . It will be just a regular service that even Playstation can do or Nintendo can do. So there is no point of game pass.

Again, what? Why would there be no point in GamePass? Playstation or Nintendo also being able to create a similar service doesn't change the fact that GamePass is a great service for customers. And no, it really can't be both. Arguing that it's both is just admitting that you're making an incredibly long reach of logic, which would explain why virtually everything you're saying makes no sense.


HollyGamer said:

Movies also has budget too, but Movie can only be enjoy one time and extremely less on replayability. Games are not equal with Movies. Movies are not interactive and not complicated like making games.

That's not how movie watching works. Many people watch movies repeatedly. I'd argue for many people movies offer more replay value than games because a movie is a two hour investment give or take, a game can be incredibly longer. I'd love to replay Witcher 3, but damn it would take a long time. I'm going to rewatch the John Wick trilogy soon, its like a six hour investment.

HollyGamer said:

That's the point, the games already devalue them self. Adding game pass as "mainstream" will hasten the process. Like I said that happen if Microsoft trying to make it fully free and kill the normal payment method  and traditional method

How would it hasten the process lol. Just saying something isn't an argument, especially when what you're saying is so detached from reality. You have to explain these theories. And games don't devalue themselves, people with a mindset like you devalue them. You just said the games on GamePass are old, implying they have less value. So putting them on GamePass isn't going to devalue something you already devalued. Furthermore MS and multiple devs have come out and said putting the games on GamePass have increased sales of the games and also DLC.

I somehow doubt you had the same concerns when Sony started giving out "free" games last gen with PS+.



HollyGamer said:

The less people buy hardware and physical  , the less product to be produce and create rarity in the market. It will inflate the price 

So you're saying given the chance, more people will buy digital? Awesome. Either way, if your logic here is legit, why aren't movies and music massively overpriced? Also, even in games, prices don't work like this. Calls of Doody will ship millions of copies. Madden will ship millions. Shenmue 3 will ship tens, yet will cost the same price or even less. By your logic it was a rarer product with less produced so it should have an inflated price.

HollyGamer said:

The games suck because game company don't want to spend money on creating big budget title, due to people will just pay one dollar on subscription or worse. Game company are not renting it. They one to sell it

You're again ignoring the massive quality advantage streaming services have in content over the broadcast networks. I know that it's very damaging to your whole theory, but I'd like to see what zany excuses you come up with for it. You're also yet to actually explain why a company would strive to sell gamers on a service by making the service full of bad games.


HollyGamer said:

It depends where you choose to be. Are you hoping Microsoft to gain advantage from game pass then Microsoft will surely kill triple A games . But if you are hoping it will not change and physical games will have normal price and normal ownership methode then gamepass don't add up anything and it will just a normal service that people can get on Playstation. Because the point of Gamepass is to steal Sony market and invite casual to joint Xbox  and there is no point if People still buying physical games.

GamePass games have physical releases. Your argument has no depth or substance. Just throwing out conspiracy theories and seeing if one sticks, like that user here who predicts the end of MS hardware every time they release a new console or revision.

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eva01beserk on 31 January 2020
sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

It sure is, But on a technical standpoint, it lacks in comparison to horizon and god of war. 

My point is that ultimately that matters little. The general quality of the overall package of the game speaks far louder.

Going back to my stance that Halo Infinite will be a system seller despite being cross gen 

Again, yes. Halo infinite will probably be a great game, what people are saying is that it could be greater where it to fully utilize the xsx power. 



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eva01beserk on 31 January 2020
DonFerrari said:
eva01beserk said:

Then you are assuming that for a game to be good it needs to be technically impressive. A game like breath of the wild is good not because it pushes polygons or some crazzy AI. A game like God of War is also not good because its the prettiest. Thouse games  are good for the experience they give, the gameplay mechanics, the story and whatever else any dev wants to offer with any game. Games like god of war and eventually the last of us part 2 will be amazing because of many things including their graphical fidelity. When games on ps5 come out that beat it in graphics, wich in no doubt will pretty soon, does not mean they are better, they could have worse stories, worst gameplay or just plain boring but will look nicer or have a mechanic that while not possible on previous consoles, still wont make the game any good. A good example is Assassins creed 5. But I sure would love for them to try new things even if they dont meet expectations.

So more power will not make a game better, you are right about that but more power lets devs experiment with things that might make the game better, like Horizon zero dawn where not able to  implement flight due to lack of power, theres a good chance that could have improved the game and we will see about that when they make the sequel. 

You could summarize that saying that giving PS5 power to EA their game won't be better than TLOU2, but if TLOU2 was fully developed for PS5 it would be better than the one developed for PS4 or the remaster/patch it will get for PS5. That is the basic point we have been saying but not accepted.

Short and sweet.

Its like voting, we might not like everything our favorite politician says, but we say we do to make them sound better in others eyes. I really think they fully understand the issue here but wont say it here cuz it might damage the xbox image. Its to simple to not be accepted. The same with the studio acquisitions, they could make great games, sure, but so far they havent but for them its a grantee that great games are coming with nothing to base that on yet. 



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LudicrousSpeed on 31 January 2020
HollyGamer said:

It's hard to argue with you, but i will just some expert industries speak for you

In that same tweet chain Schreier also says it's a great option for consumers. And Barlog says it's great as an option for consumers. So they actually agree with me. Schreier is wondering how the industry evolves when everyone is paying a subscription. He's not saying subscriptions are inherently bad or anything. Barlog is saying he hopes subscription only isn't the future. They aren't saying anything with any real substance either. I hope we all don't walk around with dildos in our butts in the future. There, I said it. But I'm not going to provide any logical reasoning as to why we'd arrive at that future, just like you aren't providing any reasoning as to why we'd get to an all-subscription future. 

Digital is a convenience, just like streaming. They aren't going to replace physical media. Though, digital is actually better for the publishers and developers because they get a lot more of the money than they do from retail sales. If you're worried about gaming just look at music and movies/television. None of the stuff you're predicting for games came true for those, they won't happen in gaming either.



sales2099 on 31 January 2020
DonFerrari said:
eva01beserk said:

Then you are assuming that for a game to be good it needs to be technically impressive. A game like breath of the wild is good not because it pushes polygons or some crazzy AI. A game like God of War is also not good because its the prettiest. Thouse games  are good for the experience they give, the gameplay mechanics, the story and whatever else any dev wants to offer with any game. Games like god of war and eventually the last of us part 2 will be amazing because of many things including their graphical fidelity. When games on ps5 come out that beat it in graphics, wich in no doubt will pretty soon, does not mean they are better, they could have worse stories, worst gameplay or just plain boring but will look nicer or have a mechanic that while not possible on previous consoles, still wont make the game any good. A good example is Assassins creed 5. But I sure would love for them to try new things even if they dont meet expectations.

So more power will not make a game better, you are right about that but more power lets devs experiment with things that might make the game better, like Horizon zero dawn where not able to  implement flight due to lack of power, theres a good chance that could have improved the game and we will see about that when they make the sequel. 

You could summarize that saying that giving PS5 power to EA their game won't be better than TLOU2, but if TLOU2 was fully developed for PS5 it would be better than the one developed for PS4 or the remaster/patch it will get for PS5. That is the basic point we have been saying but not accepted.

I get the point, but mine is that the masses overall don’t care, so long as it’s an overall great game. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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sales2099 on 31 January 2020
eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

My point is that ultimately that matters little. The general quality of the overall package of the game speaks far louder.

Going back to my stance that Halo Infinite will be a system seller despite being cross gen 

Again, yes. Halo infinite will probably be a great game, what people are saying is that it could be greater where it to fully utilize the xsx power. 

Not disagreeing with that claim. However in the grand scheme it doesn’t matter to the masses. It’s common knowledge that a year 1 exclusive, cross gen or otherwise, will never get as much out of a console then a 6th year exclusive. 

So really, this is business as usual, gen after gen. I don’t think anybody expects PS5 exclusives to take full advantage of the hardware at launch compared to 5 years later, that just wouldn’t be realistic



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

VAMatt on 31 January 2020

Its highly likely that MS will do better next gen than this one. That doesn't mean they're going to sell more consoles than PS, or even more consoles than XB1. But, there almost certainly will be more people playing XB games and paying MS for the privilege. That seems to be all that they care about, based on their investments in subscription services.

So, will XB win in the traditional sense - probably not. Will more people play XB games over the next decade than the last - probably yes.

I think, for the record, that both PS and XB can grow next generation. They don't necessarily have to take a larger piece of the pie to do that. They can grow the pie, either through streaming, or otherwise making their games available on more devices (Gamepass on Switch, for example). This would be the optimal outcome, IMO.



DonFerrari on 31 January 2020
sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

You could summarize that saying that giving PS5 power to EA their game won't be better than TLOU2, but if TLOU2 was fully developed for PS5 it would be better than the one developed for PS4 or the remaster/patch it will get for PS5. That is the basic point we have been saying but not accepted.

I get the point, but mine is that the masses overall don’t care, so long as it’s an overall great game. 

That much certainly is true, and also for a portion of the ones that care they will just get the XSX version for being better without really knowing or caring if it would make much difference if there wasn't a port for X1.

VAMatt said:
Its highly likely that MS will do better next gen than this one. That doesn't mean they're going to sell more consoles than PS, or even more consoles than XB1. But, there almost certainly will be more people playing XB games and paying MS for the privilege. That seems to be all that they care about, based on their investments in subscription services.

So, will XB win in the traditional sense - probably not. Will more people play XB games over the next decade than the last - probably yes.

I think, for the record, that both PS and XB can grow next generation. They don't necessarily have to take a larger piece of the pie to do that. They can grow the pie, either through streaming, or otherwise making their games available on more devices (Gamepass on Switch, for example). This would be the optimal outcome, IMO.

Well the discussion is on how much HW each will sell and that is most likely Sony.

But I agree with you that MS can manage to increase the number of subs on both Live and Gamepass plus possibly revenue/profit on gaming division with their current strategy.

And I do hope they can make use and investment on the bought/created studios so more good games release. Don't think they will change the type of games they do to entice me to go Xbox, but more great games is best for industry as a whole.



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VAMatt on 31 January 2020
DonFerrari said:

VAMatt said:
Its highly likely that MS will do better next gen than this one. That doesn't mean they're going to sell more consoles than PS, or even more consoles than XB1. But, there almost certainly will be more people playing XB games and paying MS for the privilege. That seems to be all that they care about, based on their investments in subscription services.

So, will XB win in the traditional sense - probably not. Will more people play XB games over the next decade than the last - probably yes.

I think, for the record, that both PS and XB can grow next generation. They don't necessarily have to take a larger piece of the pie to do that. They can grow the pie, either through streaming, or otherwise making their games available on more devices (Gamepass on Switch, for example). This would be the optimal outcome, IMO.

Well the discussion is on how much HW each will sell and that is most likely Sony.

But I agree with you that MS can manage to increase the number of subs on both Live and Gamepass plus possibly revenue/profit on gaming division with their current strategy.

And I do hope they can make use and investment on the bought/created studios so more good games release. Don't think they will change the type of games they do to entice me to go Xbox, but more great games is best for industry as a whole.

If I need to choose XB or PS to sell more hardware next gen, I'm going with PS.  I think they will almost certainly outsell XB again, and I wouldn't be surprised if its a similar margin to this gen. I just wonder how much longer that's going to be an important metric.....



Alcyon on 31 January 2020

Check Stadia:
1) You need a very stable and good connection. If the connection isn't perfectly stable, you need to DL your games. If you don't have a fast connection, it doesn't work at all.
2) Input lag. This is even worse than 1), your ping needs to be very stable or the game is unplayable.

Why do you that they still let you download the games?