Dp, sry how do you delete your own posts???

You act like devs cannot make good games with current specs, so i guess games like TLOU2 isnt going to be great due to the limitations of the PS4s jag cores which run at an even slower clock speed than base X1.

Heck the best Halo games were made on even weaker CPUs. I never understand this logic.

Didn’t seem to be for Zelda BOTW. Like Xbox One, people were kinda ready to dump the WiiU when the next gen hit. Personally all the core Xbox fans are waiting to leave this gen behind and start fresh, just like Nintendo did. 

But MS won’t screw over late adopters either, those who aren’t ready to make the early transition. Halo is better when it’s available to more people. Even the Pc version won’t really affect console sales because they buyers are PC gamers with no want to buy an Xbox. If Halo Reach sold 2 million week 1 on PC as a ten year old game, I wonder what Infinite can do.

Nevermind the marketing campaign has yet to kick in. This is a launch flagship title. It will have its own themed console. You have choice, but the marketing will make sure you want to play it on the next gen Xbox. This is a 5 year made title on a new game engine that makes development easier...this ain’t Halo 5.2

Unless you talking about XB1 limiting the potential of the Series X version. In which case I don’t think it affects the quality of the game. Series X will still be the best version and more convenient for gamers who have yet to get a expensive gaming PC. 

Finally, I’ll say that when Sony inevitably brings Last of Us2 to PS5, because why not, I seriously doubt gamers will care that it’s hindered by its PS4 counterpart. Same goes for GTA5...gamers REALLY didn’t care it was hindered by its last gen versions lol. 

So which is it, has it not made any impact or has it convinced you that it will lead to the death of the industry? How strange to try and argue that it can be both. Also it's very much mainstream. Lastly it's not really just GamePass that does it. There are other gaming subscription services. Microsoft does some things differently, like putting their new releases in there day one. But subscription gaming is nothing new and even if it were, it would just be a copy of Netflix.

You are aware that movie studios still make Bluray and DVD movies, right? Music studios still put out CD's and even records are coming back. This is all while having many streaming services and also free access in many places.

Gonna be honest, idk what any of this is trying to mean. Also, movies have big budgets too.

EA and Ubi have subscription services and have no exclusives. You're arguing against your own points you're trying to make. You say game budgets often go big and take a long time. So why would a game studio then limit access to that game to just a subscription service? Doesn't make sense.

Sounds like you don't need GamePass to devalue games, you already do it plenty yourself. Viewpoints like this are exactly why services like GamePass can be a success. Games that are half a year old are already viewed by people with your type of mentality as "old" games and not something to be valued. Either way you're wrong, GamePass has lots of titles that launch on the service, and the AAA stuff on there has routinely been newer stuff.

Uh... fucking what? lol.

Again, where does any of this make business sense? Why would a company spend money to make physical versions of something and then price it too high? Why haven't movie or music studios started making prices for their products super high to make people go digital?

Another argument with zero business sense or logic. "hey subscribe to our service, the games suck!".

Don't ignore what I said about the quality of content on all the streaming services we have right now. Most of the best content you can consume right now comes from these subscription services you claim will lead to shitty content. Again, as a consumer, I don't see how that's a bad thing. Hey there's this thing that looks great. I want to watch it. I hate that it exists. Doesn't make sense.

So then everything you just wrote doesn't apply? Nice.

TloU 2 will be great, maybe the best game on this generation. In comparison with next gen games, not so much.

See that’s where it gets grey. You talking about the game making the most out of the next gen tech. But “best game” to many, arguably more people, is the quality of said game.

LOU 2 can get a metacritic of 95 and it could get a remastered PS5 version. Put it beside a PS5 exclusive that was natively made for the platform with a metacritic of 75...and your argument sounds a little silly. LOU2 will still very much be considered the best game by the masses despite being a PS4 game first. 

1. BOTW is anything but a technical milestone. In PS/X/PC sphere, the power matters.

2.Bigger userbase has nothing to do with the quality of the game.

3. I have personally jumped into 360 back in the days solely for exclusives. And I got a very decent PC that time.

4. So why even bother with X1? Especially with XSX being more powerful and expensive, Halo should be a looker that shows that.

Worst case scenario is that the game will run like shit on base X1 and XSX version will be underwhelming in comparison with multiplats or Sony games etc.

5.I'm talking about it and YES, it will directly affect the quality of the game. John Linneman said it plain and simple. Also, it is not like one dev is doing HI for X1 and the other on XSX on different engine etc. If that would be the case, the issue would be non existent really.

6. Remasters of the older titles, not launch-day AAA exclusives. Sony is bringing big guns here, better for MS if you are right.

Yeah not all people has 1K USD gaming PC, agree with that. It's just PC parts prices due to times will slowly go down and many parts will be cheap. PC gamers will able to buy new hardware to upgrade. Or build a new one 

Please understand - we will both  laugh at PS4 and X1 soon. I bought a Pro and since that day PS4 Amateur became non existent for me, and Im sure as fuck that we will agree with ourselves, perhaps in the November this year.

Edit - PS5 remasters:

PS4 remaster of TloU looks like Nintendo game in comparison to Horizon and God of War.