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vivster said:
Defunding WHO for COVID is like defunding weather agencies for hurricanes.

And what is the global equivalent to the WHO when it comes to the weather forecast?  In the USA, we rely on the NWS for our needs, just like we rely on the CDC

for protection from viruses.  I'm not saying we don't need the WHO to help the entire planet in times like this.  What I'm saying is that the USA should

not be the biggest donor to that agency.  The USA should only give them $30m a year, let the other countries pick up the fucking tab.

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Nighthawk117 said:
vivster said:
Defunding WHO for COVID is like defunding weather agencies for hurricanes.

And what is the global equivalent to the WHO when it comes to the weather forecast?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Meteorological_Organization

https://public.wmo.int/en



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Mnementh said:
Nighthawk117 said:

And what is the global equivalent to the WHO when it comes to the weather forecast?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Meteorological_Organization

https://public.wmo.int/en

And nobody relies on them for any help when it comes to major weather events like hurricanes.



Nighthawk117 said:
Mnementh said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Meteorological_Organization

https://public.wmo.int/en

And nobody relies on them for any help when it comes to major weather events like hurricanes.

https://public.wmo.int/en/programmes/emergency-response-activities

EDIT: And to elaborate onto your point: you say the national organizations are good enough for your country. But these national organizations already work with these international bodies and exchange information. So you say the CDC handles the outbreak, but I assure you, the CDC-officials can point out all the ways their scientists exchange informations and work together internationally through the WHO. So the CDC already built a lot of knowledge through this exchange in the past that is currently helpful and has also the current assistence of the WHO. So cutting away the WHO would also limit the abilities of the CDC.

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Nighthawk117 said:
vivster said:
Defunding WHO for COVID is like defunding weather agencies for hurricanes.

And what is the global equivalent to the WHO when it comes to the weather forecast?  In the USA, we rely on the NWS for our needs, just like we rely on the CDC

for protection from viruses.  I'm not saying we don't need the WHO to help the entire planet in times like this.  What I'm saying is that the USA should not

be the biggest donor to that agency.  The USA should only give them $30m a year, let the other countries pick up the fucking tab.

Considering the US is the biggest economical power on earth, it definitely should be the biggest donor. It's only logical.

However it only spends 0.0014% of its GDP for the WHO ($281m/$20.5tn). For comparison the UK spends 0.007% ($205m/$2.9tn) which is 5 times more than the US.

You could also look at it another way. The US spends $0.86 per capita. Kuwait spends $13 per capita which is 15 times as much as the US.

https://www.keionline.org/30744

That doesn't mean that the US the worst of the bunch (China is much worse in that regard) but the amount they were already paying was never impressive or exemplary to begin with.

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Mnementh said:
Nighthawk117 said:

And nobody relies on them for any help when it comes to major weather events like hurricanes.

https://public.wmo.int/en/programmes/emergency-response-activities

Does the WMO own any weather satellites?  Hard to predict the weather and track hurricanes if you don't have any weather satellites at your disposal.

Look, I'll admit the WHO is a much more beneficial agency than the WMO, but still there's no need for the USA to be the biggest donor.



Nighthawk117 said:
Mnementh said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Meteorological_Organization

https://public.wmo.int/en

And nobody relies on them for any help when it comes to major weather events like hurricanes.

The differnce is diseases & virus's arnt something you can easily observe, halfway across the world, from a PC screen, following readings on some sensor.
It requires eyes & ears to the ground, and spread out across the world.

Also the CDC already has a "Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS)" (part of the cdc) that does that.
If your angry at the WHO for being a week late to report actuate spread information, you should also be mad about the EIS, that likely also failed you.

(basically CDC didnt do any better than the WHO)



JRPGfan said:
Nighthawk117 said:

And nobody relies on them for any help when it comes to major weather events like hurricanes.

The differnce is diseases & virus's arnt something you can easily observe, halfway across the world, from a PC screen, following readings on some sensor.
It requires eyes & ears to the ground, and spread out across the world.

Also the CDC already has a "Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS)" (part of the cdc) that does that.
If your angry at the WHO for being a week late to report actuate spread information, you should also be mad about the EIS, that likely also failed you.

(basically CDC didnt do any better than the WHO)

Believe me, I know the CDC is far from perfect - but I still trust them more than Trump and his administration. 

I'm just mad at the WHO for glossing over China's coverup.



Nighthawk117 said:
vivster said:
Defunding WHO for COVID is like defunding weather agencies for hurricanes.

And what is the global equivalent to the WHO when it comes to the weather forecast?  In the USA, we rely on the NWS for our needs, just like we rely on the CDC

for protection from viruses.  I'm not saying we don't need the WHO to help the entire planet in times like this.  What I'm saying is that the USA should

not be the biggest donor to that agency.  The USA should only give them $30m a year, let the other countries pick up the fucking tab.

Dude, where do you think your precious local agencies have their data from? Both health and weather, like many other things, are a global effort. You might want to ask your CDC or NWS how they like to be cut off of global data.

Contributions are based on the size of the country, just like taxes are based on the amount of income you have. Oh wait, that also doesn't exist in the US. Nevermind then. Solidarity is a foreign word that has zero meaning in the US.

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EricHiggin said:

There are a lot of assumptions in general as a whole.

Hospitals around here aren't packed. They're pretty slow, and not just because everything else hospital related is getting put on hold. Instead of locking people down in denser cities, they should be allowing them to spread out. Those at risk then need to stay put however. Spread the individuals who need hospitalization over a broader area so the burden is shared more equally. The more spread out people were, the less risk of contracting it. Physical distancing right?

Let people make their own decision based on age and health. They know their own risks for the most part. People who have to go out and get stuff now, either are getting others to get it for them, or are going themselves anyway if they have no other choice, so that doesn't change much. People should also be covering up with whatever they can. It may not do everything, but it will help. Completely exposing yourself is just making it easier to contract.

I've read people are being tested for antibodies and have immunity so yes you can become immune. How long does that last? More than a week or two. You don't need experts to tell you that. If that's how are bodies worked, we'd all be screwed. We don't understand it 100%, but we also know what it's not.

No way will everyone get tested, or vaccinated. That's never going to happen and not because the system wouldn't be able to accomplish it, so letting it pass through the strong now and ending it or limiting it's weaker hosts after the fact makes more sense.

If this continues it's going to get out of hand. I've seen ever growing social groups planning protests if changes aren't made or the lock down isn't lifted, which will make things even worse for a while if they happen. The Gov's can't allow things to continue like this, and the people themselves won't allow it. Either a vaccine by chance shows up much sooner than later, or reasonable logical changes are made to the lock down, or people stop listening and things get much worse overall.

This indecisiveness is exactly what's making it worse. If everyone does there part it could be contained within a month, then with accurate tracking and tracing we could start 'living' again. South Korea is doing it! I don't know what area you're in but here there is only one real hospital close with had 4 out of 9 ICU beds available and are currently in use to ventilate covid19 patients. The hospitals in bigger cities further away are also dealing with the covid19 outbreak. Sedatives and pain killers are running out. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/painkillers-and-sedatives-may-reach-critical-shortage-emergency-physicians-group-1.4895462 We're barely hanging on with the current extreme measures in place where basically everyone has to self isolate.

I've read people have been tested for anti bodies and the tests turned out to be wrong, identifying the wrong anti bodies or simply generating false positives. I've also read that minimal anti bodies from minimal exposure doesn't mean you'll be immune for heavier exposure. If you're going to let it run through the younger population, you'll get a much bigger virus load from all different angles. I've also read about the virus re-activating again in some people, making them contagious again etc.

I was wrong in my 2 month assessment though, it won't pass through that fast, at least 3 months, then another month for hopefully most people to recover. There are still 60+ active cases from the Diamond Princess since the start of Februari. Of course you also pretty much disrupt your essential workforce for months by letting it eat its way through it.

This is a time to listen to the experts and the scientists or things will get much worse. It can be contained, it's up to the people how well we get through this. Which is the biggest problem :/