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Now we have a storm coming as well, which already did significant damage in the South of the US.

At least six people were killed on Sunday as a strong storm system swept across Mississippi and Louisiana, spinning off more than a dozen tornadoes and leaving behind a path of destruction, state and local authorities said.

The storms hit on Easter Sunday as residents across the U.S. South, like most Americans, were under strict "stay-at-home" orders by the governors of Mississippi and Louisiana due to the nationwide coronavirus pandemic.

In store for us:

A potent low pressure system will bring a variety of impacts on Monday with widespread rain in the south and heavy snow in the north. Intense winds will occur as this system exits the region and gusts between 70-100 km/h have the potential to cause damages and power outages. There is also the potential for flooding along the shores of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie.


As always, our biggest import is bad weather from the US :)



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NightlyPoe said:
Pemalite said:
Well. As a nation the discussion seems to have moved to Australia having "defeated" the virus and life potentially returning to normal, minus the open borders of course, until a vaccine is found.

Should be interesting to see how things go.

But our Universal Healthcare System (Which includes advertising and dissemination of information and working with all rescue agencies...) has proven to be extremely effective... Something that New Zealand has mimicked successfully also.

Definitely haven't dropped the ball like the USA has done.

If by "dropped the ball" you mean handled it better than most countries, then yes.

Only if you start counting from the last spot. Seriously, calling the handling of it in the US as only sub-par would be a big understatement. 

Mnementh said:
NightlyPoe said:

If by "dropped the ball" you mean handled it better than most countries, then yes.

https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&data=deaths&location=Australia&location=Denmark&location=France&location=US

Handled better than most countries? Sure…

It's better like this, as it shows all the big nations - and how the US is really standing out in a bad way:

https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&data=deaths&location=Belgium&location=France&location=Germany&location=Italy&location=Netherlands&location=Spain&location=US

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drkohler said:
NightlyPoe said:

If by "dropped the ball" you mean handled it better than most countries, then yes.

And Denial is just a river in Africa....

Yup it sure isn't. The denial is seen first hand by people ignoring per capita statistics showing that several European powers with a universal healthcare dropped the ball harder than the USA.

The USA didn't handle it well, but the very transparent narrative to try and pretend they handled it worse than every other developed nation is truly hilarious. Who do people think they are fooling here when they compare the raw death count of a country with 330m people to countries with 30m-80m people?

Last edited by newwil7l - on 13 April 2020

And meanwhile Europe has 747 million people total, compared to 328 million in the USA.

USA is reporting 91 cases per million atm, Europe 48 cases per million
USA is reporting 5.8 deaths per million, Europe 5.5 deaths per million

The USA was 2 weeks behind Europe, had more time to prepare, and it's still very possible the USA will peak higher than Europe. It's close.
Europe got screwed since it broke out in a popular holiday destination during ski season.
Yep Italy could have handled it better and saved Europe a lot of trouble.
The US squandered the extra time they had.



As if things could not got worse in the USA....come June 1 we enter into the next hurricane season. What happens when you cross a hurricane with the coronavirus? Why you have a "coronacane." You heard it first from me and here. I own that word.



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Italy had 27% less test results today than yesterday. Accordingly, there were 29% less confirmed cases today.

You don't have an epidemic if you don't test people, am I right?

Although, to be fair, these are missing just about everywhere.

Even in Iceland, where they were doing a very good job at mass testing people (10% of the population!)



 

 

 

 

 

Lafiel said:
NightlyPoe said:

If by "dropped the ball" you mean handled it better than most countries, then yes.

better than most countries huh? I see the US in the bottom 10% for cases per million and deaths per million (obviously ordered by the less the better) over at worldometers

I am talking in terms of totals of course.

And the USA isn't even entering the recovery phase yet... There could be more peaks.

And that is in stark contrasts to other countries starting to talk about having defeated the pandemic.

newwil7l said:
drkohler said:

And Denial is just a river in Africa....

Yup it sure isn't. The denial is seen first hand by people ignoring per capita statistics showing that several European powers with a universal healthcare dropped the ball harder than the USA.

The USA didn't handle it well, but the very transparent narrative to try and pretend they handled it worse than every other developed nation is truly hilarious. Who do people think they are fooling here when they compare the raw death count of a country with 330m people to countries with 30m-80m people?

Not all Universal Healthcare systems are created equal.

But it's without a doubt that several universal healthcare systems like Australia and New Zealand's has made the American approach seem comical by comparison.




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NightlyPoe said:
Libara said:

Please do elaborate on how the US has handled it better than most countries?

It really is astonishing how the groupthink has taken hold. By any measure, the United States, a country that receives a great amount of traffic from China (and later Europe) should have been hit hard and fast by this illness to a much greater degree.

But, through luck and, yes, good choices, the country has limited its major breakouts to the single area of New York/New Jersey. Outside of those two states, only Michigan has suffered more than a thousand losses. California, a state with a huge amount of travel to and from China should have been ripe for for a breakout, is doing better than even Germany's celebrated response despite being an early cluster. Washington is another success story, a state hit early that quickly got its outbreak under control. Texas, another state that could easily qualify for nation status, has done even better and is eager to be the first state to reopen. Even the much-maligned Florida is doing very well.

Last week, I challenged, I think the same poster, to back up the statement that the virus had exposed deficiencies in the United States healthcare system. About 10 people answered, but zero actually provided a single shred of evidence that the United States healthcare system was doing less well than other developed nations. There were many calls of "Just wait until the peak". Well, the peak has passed. The temporary hospitals that were built in haste and naval vessels that were repaired in record time have remained largely empty as new hospitalizations fall in New York. Already we are talking about sending medical equipment overseas to places that need it more. The worst happened and the healthcare system was certainly strained, but remained in working order.

Look, I'm not saying everything was perfect by any means. If you wish to say New York dropped the ball, you'll get no argument from me. They were scandalously slow to respond, particularly in NYC, and the result has been more than half the countries cases deaths coming from that concentrated area of New York/New Jersey. Mayor De Blasio has much to answer for.

Additionally, the testing difficulties in the early days hampered the ability to accurately diagnose how far along the disease had spread. Unfortunately, that was the result of system errors decades in the making.

But rarely in a crisis does everything handled perfectly. In the end, the actual margin of error was relatively small. The reality is that the country was already beginning to shut down with less than 10 cases per million confirmed. Even New York only confirmed its first case on March 1. How much earlier did one expect the country to react?

When looked at in total, the United States performed well above-average as far as the western world is concerned. Put in perspective, it would be like if Europe only had Italy as a major breakout, with a few smaller outbreaks sprinkled around, but the majority the continent performing like Germany.

There are greater success stories to be found, particularly South Korea, and I'm glad Australia closed down at roughly the same time when they were even earlier in their outbreak. But pointing at the United States as a particular case of dropping the ball just doesn't fit with the facts, even if it does fit with a narrative.

Like I said, there's a lot of groupthink, and more than a little substandard analysis based on gross numbers (I've been warning about that in regards to SpokenTruth's charts for almost a month). If the United States were not so proportionately large, no one outside of the domestic squabbling would even take note when there are so many countries that have handled things worse and so many problems still on the horizon.

*The above is directed at the many people that were astonished that someone would say the United States responded well, not just this single poster. That so many people would be astonished at the notion of saying the United States did well is astonishing itself when the data receives even a glancing view.

I'm curious as to how this is going to work out in the long term for countries. Who is clamping down to hard, and who isn't clamping down enough? Who will bounce back, and who will be hurting for a while? Who will be better off overall when the dust finally settles and things can get back on track?

Time will tell.



SpokenTruth said:
It amazes me that there are still people that don't understand how this virus spreads. It's based on two factors.

1. How dense the population is.
2. How dense the population is.

Which is why India is fucked.  Glad I don't live there.



That is from Paris yesterday. Very tight lockdown I see.

Also, it seems like people randomly wearing masks on their chins for whatever reason is an universal thing. I've seen some of these in the supermarket too.