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The_Liquid_Laser said:
Barkley said:

Nice conspiracy theory.

As for Fortnite.... microtransactions, DLC, Season Passes and ingame purchases are not included, the list is about game sales, that's it.

For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform.

Seems to me that you just hate the games at the top of the list.

Nice Ad Hominem.

Your post actually does not address what I'm saying.  For example you said, "For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform."  But other games do include PC sales.  This is one of the many reasons why the list is bogus.

They include all data that they are given access to. This is not "massaging data" this is presenting the data they have. So you're saying because a particular publisher doesn't give them digital sales data they shouldn't bother posting the list at all?

The reason PUBG isn't higher on the list is because the publisher doesn't tell NPD it's sales. The reason Nintendo isn't higher on the list is because they don't tell NPD their digital sales. This isn't NPD's fault or NPD massaging the data to put their favorites at the top.

Their is literally nothing NPD can do about that, it's up to the publishers like Nintendo.



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Barkley said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Do you think Minecraft isn't popular in the US?  It is.  Minecraft is popular everywhere.  Minecraft is even popular in Japan, and they rarely buy Western games there.  A more likely culprit is that NPD is very uneven from where they collect their sources.  Some games include digital and some don't.  Even with PC factored in, do they only get data from Steam?  Because a lot of people buy Minecraft directly from Mojang.

And if this is all based on revenue, then why aren't games like Fortnite on the list?  Isn't the point of using revenue is to compare orthodox console games with Free to Play?  But this list obviously doesn't include Free to Play.  That is why it's bogus.

The NPD is a shill for certain big Western studios.  I'm sure this list is technically accurate in some sense, but not in any sense that I should actually care about.  There are so many caveats that the list is basically pointless.  The data gets "massaged" by the NPD until it makes certain Western game companies look good like Activision and Rockstar.  Where is PUBG?  I thought that was a successful game, especially in the US.  Why does the NPD split Pokemon into two games while all SKU's of Call of Duty get combined?  There are so many questions and caveats that the list is pointless.

That's why I'm saying the list sucks.  It might be technically correct, but the list is disingenuous.  The data is "massaged" enough that no one should care.  If the point is to rank traditional one time purchase games, then Minecraft should definitely be at the top.  If the point is to compare revenue, then Fortnite should be on the list.  Instead the point seems to be to make Activision look good.  "This list was brought to you by Activision."

Nice conspiracy theory.

As for Fortnite.... microtransactions, DLC, Season Passes and ingame purchases are not included, the list is about game sales, that's it.

For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform.

Seems to me that you just hate the games at the top of the list.

Id say its pretty obvious NPD wants to make certain western devs look better.

During Wii and DS gen Ninty games were dominating the top 10. What do they do to change this? They combine the SKU's for games.

For example they used to list Call of Duty separate for each platform. That way it was easier for them to fall off the top of the list.

Yet they continue to separate Pokemon games when other trackers combine them. Mainly Nintendo themselves 



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brute said:
Barkley said:

Nice conspiracy theory.

As for Fortnite.... microtransactions, DLC, Season Passes and ingame purchases are not included, the list is about game sales, that's it.

For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform.

Seems to me that you just hate the games at the top of the list.

Id say its pretty obvious NPD wants to make certain western devs look better.

During Wii and DS gen Ninty games were dominating the top 10. What do they do to change this? They combine the SKU's for games.

For example they used to list Call of Duty separate for each platform. That way it was easier for them to fall off the top of the list.

Yet they continue to separate Pokemon games when other trackers combine them. Mainly Nintendo themselves 

Pokemon versions being separate is a point I agree with, they should be combined. But that's just one game.

Combining sales of multiplat games just makes sense, and it's not to make "certain western devs" look better. They combine mutliplat releases regardless of where the game was developed. Japanese titles like Monster Hunter and Resident Evil are also combined. While western developed single-platform titles are treated the same as non-western developed single-platform titles.



Barkley said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
You know this list sucks, because Minecraft is at #10. It's easily the best selling game of the last decade and it's #10 on this list.

This list is based on revenue in the US... and...

1. It launched for like $15 on PC/Console.

2. Pocket Edition sales won't be included in this list, how popular is pocket edition? Well from the figures I can find Pocket Edition made up over 35% of total sales. (21m Pocket Edition sales as of April 2014, 60m total sales as of October 2014 and 30m Pocket Edition sales by January 2015.)

And just incase I'm mistaken and android sales are included... Pocket Edition is just $7 at full price.

it makes sense not to include mobile sales because then you would have 99 cent games all over this list. I wish they didn't count them on the top 50 best selling games of all times because Tetris by EA is number 3 on the list with 100 million selling at 99 cents for most of its run which isn't fair to the 40-60 dollar games while some can beat it out most can't because at the end of the day they aren't minecraft or GTA V but they have made great sales and should get credit for it not these mobile games.



Barkley said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Nice Ad Hominem.

Your post actually does not address what I'm saying.  For example you said, "For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform."  But other games do include PC sales.  This is one of the many reasons why the list is bogus.

They include all data that they are given access to. This is not "massaging data" this is presenting the data they have. So you're saying because a particular publisher doesn't give them digital sales data they shouldn't bother posting the list at all?

The reason PUBG isn't higher on the list is because the publisher doesn't tell NPD it's sales. The reason Nintendo isn't higher on the list is because they don't tell NPD their digital sales. This isn't NPD's fault or NPD massaging the data to put their favorites at the top.

Their is literally nothing NPD can do about that, it's up to the publishers like Nintendo.

It's poor analysis.  A better list would only include physical sales.  Then you'd be comparing apples to apples.  A list where some of the games have all physical+digital sales and other games only have some or none of the digital sales is a poor list.

It's like holding a marathon, and then when the race starts some of the people bring bikes.  The bikers say, "should we be punished just because they didn't bring bikes?"  So the people holding the race let them use bikes and the others run.  That's not a fair race.  This list given in the OP is not a fair list and really none of the NPD lists are fair anymore.  Some of the games include all physical and digital sales and some don't.

Also, yes the NPD does "massage" the data.  They used to be a lot more transparent, giving both hardware and software numbers, and they also used to report each game on their lists as a separate SKU.  The format started changing once Wii games were filling up the monthly top 10.  The bias is obvious, because they started combining third party SKU's, but they never combined the Pokemon SKU's.  It was a move to make third party companies look better.  The NPD is a business and some of their clients are large Western publishers.  They definitely have a financial incentive to "massage" the data.