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Cerebralbore101 said:
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This is my first gut feeling reaction too.

We're getting to an age where consoles are just tech boxes that run games. Sony first party content is one of the best Sony strengths.

Yeah. We've got to see if it'll be a move for all first party content or just a few gems to sort of market PS content.

The packet of information is the game which is the product that you're buying.

Besides as much everybody would want your price logic to be true, the fact is that that's not how market prices work. In economy and trade, price is not the sum of all costs. Price equation is far more complicated than that but to sum it up, it's mostly the perceived market value of the product.

Yeah, yeah, I can sell my toilet water to a guy in the desert that's dying of thirst for $100 a bottle. I suppose you are one of those people that thinks the American healthcare system has every right to charge hundreds for insulin too huh?

Supply of digital copies is infinite. Why doesn't price go down? The market is rigged, that's why. Killing off physical games is just further rigging of the market.

What I think, want or like doesn't matter. Just saying how price works in the real world. Besides supply doesn't matter either in terms of software and entertainment industry, because they're selling experiences and services.

For example, you don't pay for a cinema ticket a fraction of the cost of the film, you pay for that 2h experience. When you buy a Windows 10 copy, you're not paying for the copy of software, you're paying for a service that includes support, updates, and guaranteed operation for a decade or so.

Well, I suppose you know all that, so you get my point.

I'm not saying that you don't have point when the digital infrastructure could devalue the market the way mp3 did with music, but it's still another point, because it's not just like cutting the price of the disc per copy and many would argue that games have become quite less expensive in the last 20 years due to inflation.



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Just realised... with games like Uncharted, GoW, Horizon, Spiderman already selling 10m-15m, releasing on PC could be the thing that finally tips Sony's first party sales ahead of Nintendo's... xD

This is Sony's master plan to get Horizon sales back above BOTW.

We need to get Uncharted 4 above 20m!



Barkley said:

Just realised... with games like Uncharted, GoW, Horizon, Spiderman already selling 10m-15m, releasing on PC could be the thing that finally tips Sony's first party sales ahead of Nintendo's... xD

This is Sony's master plan to get Horizon sales back above BOTW.

We need to get Uncharted 4 above 20m!

Switch software comes with a handheld game and a home console game so you have to double their sales and subtract any sales for Switch Lite.

It's the rules.



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I can see them doing in the future what Rockstar is doing, console release first, then year later a PC release...after all, it works for Rockstar.



Considering it is a 3 year old game, it's not that big a deal, IF this turns out to be real. And not just PS Now, but native support. I could see Sony releasing an exclusive on the PS5, then maybe 1-2 years later, they release the PC version. Then, again, this could just be Sony putting Horizon on PC to get PC players interested in the sequel, which will only be on PS5.

Now, if Sony does something foolish like releasing on PC at the exact same time, I think it will hurt PS5 sales.



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thismeintiel said:
Considering it is a 3 year old game, it's not that big a deal, IF this turns out to be real. And not just PS Now, but native support. I could see Sony releasing an exclusive on the PS5, then maybe 1-2 years later, they release the PC version. Then, again, this could just be Sony putting Horizon on PC to get PC players interested in the sequel, which will only be on PS5.

Now, if Sony does something foolish like releasing on PC at the exact same time, I think it will hurt PS5 sales.

Not a big deal?

When Nintendo put their IPs on smart devices everybody declared Nintendo's doom.

Sony will do PC day 1 releases if MS starts to take a lead in the Sub wars. The PC-XB-PS porting ecosystem is pretty well established so Sony is likely sitting on plenty of PC versions.

Hate to disappoint some of the vocal Sony fans but this move will mean absolutely zero to the FIFA, CoD and Fortnite crowd who value the simplicity of the console experience. Sony's legacy brand power will see them through for now.

Edit: It's possible that this could just be Sony putting a cat amongst the pigeons to cause a bit of FUD.

Last edited by Pyro as Bill - on 19 January 2020

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Pyro as Bill said:
thismeintiel said:
Considering it is a 3 year old game, it's not that big a deal, IF this turns out to be real. And not just PS Now, but native support. I could see Sony releasing an exclusive on the PS5, then maybe 1-2 years later, they release the PC version. Then, again, this could just be Sony putting Horizon on PC to get PC players interested in the sequel, which will only be on PS5.

Now, if Sony does something foolish like releasing on PC at the exact same time, I think it will hurt PS5 sales.

Not a big deal?

When Nintendo put their IPs on smart devices everybody declared Nintendo's doom.

Sony will do PC day 1 releases if MS starts to take a lead in the Sub wars. The PC-XB-PS porting ecosystem is pretty well established so Sony is likely sitting on plenty of PC versions.

Hate to disappoint some of the vocal Sony fans but this move will mean absolutely zero to the FIFA, CoD and Fortnite crowd who value the simplicity of the console experience. Sony's legacy brand power will see them through for now.

Edit: It's possible that this could just be Sony putting a cat amongst the pigeons to cause a bit of FUD.

Completely different situation, though.  When Nintendo announced it was going to make mobile games, it was in a bad situation.  The Wii U had utterly flopped and the 3DS was doing just ok.  Not really hard to see why people might think they would move towards mobile gaming if the gaming market hadn't taken to the Switch.  But, they did, so Nintendo consoles are going to be around for the foreseeable future, with Nintendo dropping a few games here or there on mobile. 

Sony, on the other hand, is moving toward another gen having just come off the massive success of the PS4, now the 2nd best selling home console.  They, just like Nintendo, know they need exclusives to help push that system.  And Sony doesn't care if MS is ahead in the sub wars, unless it is drastically so or if they are doing it by continuing to give away subs for $1.  Sony wants to sell HW and SW, as well as keep full priced subbers around.  Giving their games away for $1 isn't exactly something they are going to be into.

Like I said, this is a 3 year old game.  It's not that big of a deal.  Maybe the time table will move up to 1 year.  Still, if you don't want to wait, you'll have to buy a PS5.  Heck, maybe their games won't do that well on PC, so they won't even bother porting them over.  Only time will tell.



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the-pi-guy said:

Maybe.  

It doesn't really mean much looking for people with experience in related technologies.  

Yes, but it's interesting because they happened to nab someone who just so happens to hold experience in those fields. There are many choices out there for Sony to choose from. Devs like these aren't akin to one Stephen Hawking, no, there are plenty of choices out there for Sony to choose from, but they just so happen to choose a dev with experience in those two specific fields.

A dev with those extra talents will likely be made use of, rather than "you're a dev like any other, do the mundane tasks".

Besides, why now do a full PC port of one game, at this time, and then magically hire a dev who just so happens to share talents with what stems from the very platform they are making this port to. I wouldn't chalk it entirely up to mere coincidence, that's not what you hire a dev with two extras under his belt for. If they are indeed planning to branch out further, then that dev is the perfect choice for the job. 

I'm not one to chalk it up to coincidence, because let's be honest, I want and hope for the best for what is slowly transpiring, and I'm not one to toss it under a bus out of fear that some fanboys are going to lose a few exclusives. Let's be logical, why hire and waste someone with multiple talents, when you could simply scout and hire a person with only one specific talent you're after?. There have been plenty of times artists have come to working with animation studios in the past, that ended up being made use of with those multiple field experiences, hell, same goes for Voice actors too, who go on to become not only regular VA's, but directors and organisers too. Multiple talents do get made use of, if not now, somewhere down the road.

I dare to say that Sony's made a wise choice in acquiring this dev, because his talents will provide a boon in the future, going forward.

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