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mZuzek said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

That's some odd reasoning there. There's plenty of silly stuff in Hollow Knight compared to say Metroid. Zote the Mighty, need I say more? xD

Having silly stuff doesn't make the game lighthearted. Metroid is pretty serious, but it's not dark and depressing like Hollow Knight. I can't imagine The Knight's victory screen, for example - anything actually victorious would look remarkably out of character, and anything in-character would be really weird within such a flashy game. Whatever Hallownest stage we got would be filled with gloomy songs, the game barely has any upbeat tracks (though I can think of 3 or 4 that wouldn't be too bad), and the atmosphere, if recreated accurately, would be just sad.

At the same time, though, it'd be an awesome pick.

You needa check the definition of lighthearted then, silly things most certainly entertain and amuse. The Metroid games I've played (Super, Prime 3, Hunters) have no humor or charm in them whatsoever to lift spirits/lighten the mood, whereas Hollow Knight is full of it.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
mZuzek said:

Having silly stuff doesn't make the game lighthearted. Metroid is pretty serious, but it's not dark and depressing like Hollow Knight. I can't imagine The Knight's victory screen, for example - anything actually victorious would look remarkably out of character, and anything in-character would be really weird within such a flashy game. Whatever Hallownest stage we got would be filled with gloomy songs, the game barely has any upbeat tracks (though I can think of 3 or 4 that wouldn't be too bad), and the atmosphere, if recreated accurately, would be just sad.

At the same time, though, it'd be an awesome pick.

You needa check the definition of lighthearted then, silly things most certainly entertain and amuse. The Metroid games I've played (Super, Prime 3, Hunters) have no humor or charm in them whatsoever to lift spirits/lighten the mood, whereas Hollow Knight is full of it.

I wouldnt have a problem with that, Solid Snake seemed completely out of place for me and I think he fit just fine simply because its not his own game and I dont take seriously how he is depicted in Smash, in the same vein I wouldnt expect every aspect of the Hollow Knight character in Smash to fit the "dark" tone of its own game - and either way I dont think it would matter cause the character itself moves like an automaton and that's what I'd expect from its animation. And the character could be Hornet and not the Knight, but either way works for me. Other than that I honestly could easily see a Colosseum of Fools - themed stage for the game.
But either way its fine, we dont have to agree.  



Jpcc86 said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

You needa check the definition of lighthearted then, silly things most certainly entertain and amuse. The Metroid games I've played (Super, Prime 3, Hunters) have no humor or charm in them whatsoever to lift spirits/lighten the mood, whereas Hollow Knight is full of it.

I wouldnt have a problem with that, Solid Snake seemed completely out of place for me and I think he fit just fine simply because its not his own game and I dont take seriously how he is depicted in Smash, in the same vein I wouldnt expect every aspect of the Hollow Knight character in Smash to fit the "dark" tone of its own game - and either way I dont think it would matter cause the character itself moves like an automaton and that's what I'd expect from its animation. And the character could be Hornet and not the Knight, but either way works for me. Other than that I honestly could easily see a Colosseum of Fools - themed stage for the game.
But either way its fine, we dont have to agree.  

I don't think you meant to quote me, but yes I'd love for the stage to be the Colosseum, that way we get to see some Zote action! Hornet being the playable character makes sense as well to hype up Silksong, and so one of her taunts can be "git gud!" I don't think it'll happen simply because it's an indy game, but Undertale getting a bit of representation does give hope.



mZuzek said:
JWeinCom said:

An ARMS rep, a Golden Sun rep, Dixie Kong, Rex, Pyra, Elma, Impa, Paper Mario, Captain Toad, Chibi Robo, Midna, Krystal, Ring Fit Girl/Boy, Agent 8 are just a few that pop into mind.

Arms' main character is in the game.
Golden Sun's main character is in the game.
Dixie would work best as a Diddy echo fighter with DK's up special, and echo fighters are out.
Rex, Pyra and Elma... ehh... I guess, whatever.
Impa would work best as a Sheik echo fighter, and echo fighers are out.
Paper Mario... no thanks.
Captain Toad... no thanks.
Chibi Robo... no thanks.
Midna would work best paired with Wolf Link. Would be awesome to be fair, but that's never gonna happen.
Krystal... no thanks. (oh and also she's already in the game too. Ew.)
Ring Fit Girl/Boy... no thanks.
Agent 8... who?

They could just as easily use Ribbon Girl for Arms or Matthew for Arms/Golden Sun.  There's no reason Impa or Dixie would have to be echoes.  As for the rest, I'm not going to argue with your personal opinions.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
mZuzek said:

Having silly stuff doesn't make the game lighthearted. Metroid is pretty serious, but it's not dark and depressing like Hollow Knight. I can't imagine The Knight's victory screen, for example - anything actually victorious would look remarkably out of character, and anything in-character would be really weird within such a flashy game. Whatever Hallownest stage we got would be filled with gloomy songs, the game barely has any upbeat tracks (though I can think of 3 or 4 that wouldn't be too bad), and the atmosphere, if recreated accurately, would be just sad.

At the same time, though, it'd be an awesome pick.

You needa check the definition of lighthearted then, silly things most certainly entertain and amuse. The Metroid games I've played (Super, Prime 3, Hunters) have no humor or charm in them whatsoever to lift spirits/lighten the mood, whereas Hollow Knight is full of it.

Typical you. Disagree with someone's opinion, just say they're objectively wrong and don't know what they're talking about.

I'm pretty sure just about everyone I know would agree Hollow Knight has a much heavier atmosphere than any Metroid game. For me, it has one of the darkest atmospheres in any game I've played, period. The idea of a Colosseum of Fools stage certainly mitigates that a little, as it is one of the most lighthearted areas of the game and does feel a bit disconnected from the rest of the world.



JWeinCom said:
mZuzek said:

Arms' main character is in the game.
Golden Sun's main character is in the game.
Dixie would work best as a Diddy echo fighter with DK's up special, and echo fighters are out.
Rex, Pyra and Elma... ehh... I guess, whatever.
Impa would work best as a Sheik echo fighter, and echo fighers are out.
Paper Mario... no thanks.
Captain Toad... no thanks.
Chibi Robo... no thanks.
Midna would work best paired with Wolf Link. Would be awesome to be fair, but that's never gonna happen.
Krystal... no thanks. (oh and also she's already in the game too. Ew.)
Ring Fit Girl/Boy... no thanks.
Agent 8... who?

They could just as easily use Ribbon Girl for Arms or Matthew for Arms/Golden Sun.  There's no reason Impa or Dixie would have to be echoes.  As for the rest, I'm not going to argue with your personal opinions.

Not how Smash works... I'm tired of seeing people like "Mega Man? Boo, I wanted Zero" or "Simon Belmont? Alucard was a much better choice". Whenever a new franchise is added into Smash, it always starts with the series' most prominent and recognizable protagonist. Always. In the case of Arms that's Spring Man, for Golden Sun it's Isaac.



I can see this presentation introducing the last character of the first pass and then showing us the first character of the second fighter pass with a possibility of the preorder bonus character given to those who pre-order the second pass. Third party wise outside of Dante the other possible candidates to be added at some point in future are Ryu Hyabusa (spelling) to represent Ninja Gaiden/DOA, A Tekken representative maybe Heihachi, a possible playable version of Akira to rep VF, Kos-mos due to the partnership with Namco, A Tales rep maybe Cless from Phantasia.

First party wise I'm not sure what else can be added with out being an echo given Sakurai I think a FE:TH rep is still coming other than that maybe a second XBC rep it's hard to tell at this point.



mZuzek said:
JWeinCom said:

They could just as easily use Ribbon Girl for Arms or Matthew for Arms/Golden Sun.  There's no reason Impa or Dixie would have to be echoes.  As for the rest, I'm not going to argue with your personal opinions.

Not how Smash works... I'm tired of seeing people like "Mega Man? Boo, I wanted Zero" or "Simon Belmont? Alucard was a much better choice". Whenever a new franchise is added into Smash, it always starts with the series' most prominent and recognizable protagonist. Always. In the case of Arms that's Spring Man, for Golden Sun it's Isaac.

Spring Man and Ribbon Girl were both in the debut trailer.  And it's not like there's some story mode where he's the main character or anything.  If he's the most recognizable, it's by a fairly small margin.  Matthew was the protagonist for the most recent game in the franchise.  

At any rate, because something has been done one way doesn't mean they can't do it another way.  Before Melee, I could have said they always feature heroes, and not villains.  Before Brawl, I could have said they always only included first party characters.  Before Smash 4, I could have said that they always only used characters who have been playable on a Nintendo system, and that they never included characters with realistic guns.  Before Ultimate, I could have said that they never featured generic enemies as playable characters.  

I'm not saying it's likely, as I don't expect an Arms or Golden Sun character, but the fact that they've done things one way does not mean they won't change that.  There have definitely been more surprising Smash reveals.



God dammit Nintendo.

God dammit