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sales2099 on 23 February 2020
CGI-Quality said:

Honestly, Sales/Goopy - that discussion is going nowhere. The same arguments repeated over, and over, and over, and over. So, time for y’all to move on. I’m serious! Drop it there. Need a shift to something else!

He made a new provocative comment....so what happens now? I want to reply but I read this message. 

This is a MS category discussion and I will respond to people making persistent veiled attacks on the brand. I am more then open to changing the subject on this thread as you can see further down. 

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sales2099 on 23 February 2020
Keiji said:
goopy20 said:

Like I said, what MS is doing is not a bad idea from a business perspective in theory. But so was Kinect. So while you're thinking out of the box, playing upressed X1 games on a $599 Series X and on your mobile, the masses will probably just stick with a next gen console where they don't have to wait 2 years before they can see what it can actually  do. 

I think it will be this price as well : $599 for Xbox. Sony doesn't need to sell their PS5 this year. Better let the PS5 for 2021 with a better price and exclusives games at launch and let the PS4 shining all the way again this year with many great games and exclusives. And the rest of the World is the biggest market and are pro PlayStation, it's a great thing.

Xbox at $599 and no exclusive games (everything is on PC) won't sell a lot Worldwide anyway. And now with the fact that all the games will be already on PC and Xbox One as well for 2 years, no pressure for the PS5.

What are your thoughts on Lockharts rumoured $100 undercut of PS5 price? While I do agree that MSs strategy is a double edge sword. You get your game out to both Xbox generations, PC, eventually mobile phones when Xcloud is official. More choice options etc etc Phil Spencer quotes. lol 

The downside is that you aren’t herding your market to one console like Sony is doing. That said I honestly feel the core  Pc gamers never really intend to ever buy an Xbox console. Because of the Xbox ecosystem policy of their exclusives obviously. But MS is content getting their business without them having to buy a Xbox console. 

Even with all the choice MS is offering, it still comes down to the hotly contested market: people that only play consoles that are on the fence between Xbox and Ps. Gamers or even kids that are not so attached to either product that their minds are all ready made up. End of the day all these cross gen exclusives on Xbox aren’t available on PS, so the system seller potential is still there. 

Id like to hear your take on this. 



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goopy20 on 23 February 2020
Conina said:
goopy20 said:

We simply don't know if the launch titles will be any good.

That's right. We simply don't know because we haven't seen any glimpse of them.

However, what we do know for certainty is that even the ps5 exclusive launch titles will be a generational leap over what we're seeing today.

That's wrong. We simply don't know because we haven't seen any glimpse of them. We can assume that they look a lot better than current gen games (especially compared to the base consoles), but we don't know for certainty that the PS5 exclusive launch titles will be a generational leap compared to the best PS4 Pro and Xbox One X games.

The only reason I'm ranting like this for 2 weeks now is because I'm struggling to understand the logic behind MS's vision.

Developing good games "close to the metal" of next gen hardware takes time, more than two or three years. Rushing it to be near the launch window often gives disappointing results. Is that really sooooo hard to understand?

Surely they should aim to showcase the best possible graphics on their new console, so why make sure that their games also work on Xone in the first place? Is it really because they don't want to screw over Xone owners? Because frankly, which Xone owners? Their console was a failure and imo they should just pretend this gen never happened.

So over 40 million XBO owners aren't enough to give them some more support for the hardware they bought? Do you really want to go on record with that attitude?

CGI-Quality already said that true next gen games will simply be able to do more. This is not exactly a new phenomena and the only thing we don't know is what a generational leap entails exactly this time around. On paper, the leap should be a lot more significant than what we've seen this gen, especially when you consider things like Ray Tracing, which has long been considered the holy grail of game development, and the new SSD tech. 

Big AAA franchises usually take 3 to 5 years and it makes sense that neither Sony nor MS wants to rush them just so they have them ready as launch titles. But every console in history has had some low profile launch titles that at least showed off the new hardware. The public perception of newness is kinda important when you're launching a new console, it feeds desire and the launch games are a big part of that, even when they hardly deliver. Saying this plays the same games but just better will be a pretty tough sell for the Series X. So while I get that MS doesn't have a big AAA franchise ready as a Series X launch game, I do wonder why they don't have anything at all and make a statement about it like its a good thing. 

Also you forgot to answer the most important part. Why would MS stop supporting the Xone after 1 or 2 years? Wouldn't that contradict their whole goal of reaching a broader audience and in the end still piss off Xone owners? And do you honestly believe MS is doing this just because they're so consumer friendly? Everybody understands the concept of a new console generation and not a single ps4 owner will be surprised or upset if Sony dropped support for the ps4. It's always been like that and the bulk of ps4 owners probably can't wait to give Sony their holiday money and leap into the next gen asap. 

They're doing the 2 year cross-gen thing for other reasons, and it's not exactly rocket science to figure out what that is. 



Keiji on 23 February 2020

No problem I will try to answer.

What is Lockharts ?

My opinion is that PS5 will be for 2021, not this year. That's just me. If specs of the next Xbox are above PS5, Sony will never release the console for a higher price, damn I don't even think they will release it at the same price (even at the PS2 Ultimate Juggernaut area, they lowered the price)

I think next Xbox will be release this year and at 599,99 dollars

I think also that the PC and Xbox game multiplatform's result is that there are even less Xbox players than before. It's not bad for MS because they want to sell games before consoles, so I think it's good idea, it's new strategy (we already talked about it the previous years). But as for console's success it's not good at all.

And people, we know there are far more PlayStation's fans/players than Xbox players in the World, even if we only take this generation, PS4 going to do 130 million while Xbox going to do 50 million. It's already played, the only thing that Sony should do is to not repeat the same PS3's mistakes. That's all. And they won't, they understood the lesson.

At the end I would MS doesn't need to be successful in the console's world, that's why they focus on selling games than consoles. They don't care now. But the PlayStation is very important for Sony so they will do all they can to sell consoles. That's not the same strategy.



sales2099 on 23 February 2020
goopy20 said:
Conina said:

CGI-Quality already said that true next gen games will simply be able to do more. This is not exactly a new phenomena and the only thing we don't know is what a generational leap entails exactly this time around. On paper, the leap should be a lot more significant than what we've seen this gen, especially when you consider things like Ray Tracing, which has long been considered the holy grail of game development, and the new SSD tech. 

Big AAA franchises usually take 3 to 5 years and it makes sense that neither Sony nor MS wants to rush them just so they have them ready as launch titles. But every console in history has had some low profile launch titles that at least showed off the new hardware. The public perception of newness is kinda important when you're launching a new console, it feeds desire and the launch games are a big part of that, even when they hardly deliver. Saying this plays the same games but just better will be a pretty tough sell for the Series X. So while I get that MS doesn't have a big AAA franchise ready as a Series X launch game, I do wonder why they don't have anything at all and make a statement about it like its a good thing. 

Also you forgot to answer the most important part. Why would MS stop supporting the Xone after 1 or 2 years? Wouldn't that contradict their whole goal of reaching a broader audience and in the end still piss off Xone owners? And do you honestly believe MS is doing this just because they're so consumer friendly? Everybody understands the concept of a new console generation and not a single ps4 owner will be surprised or upset if Sony dropped support for the ps4. It's always been like that and the bulk of ps4 owners probably can't wait to give Sony their holiday money and leap into the next gen asap. 

They're doing the 2 year cross-gen thing for other reasons, and it's not exactly rocket science to figure out what that is. 

“So while I get that MS doesn't have a big AAA franchise ready as a Series X launch game”

Sigh....did you just imply that Halo Infinite isn’t a AAA franchise that won’t drive system sales of the Xbox brand?

To CGI Quality: this is ridiculous. If I went on a PS forum and said X AAA launch game won’t drive PS hardware I’d be banned within 10 minutes 



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Keiji on 23 February 2020
sales2099 said:

“So while I get that MS doesn't have a big AAA franchise ready as a Series X launch game”

Sigh....did you just imply that Halo Infinite isn’t a AAA franchise that won’t drive system sales of the Xbox brand?

To CGI Quality: this is ridiculous. If I went on a PS forum and said X AAA launch game won’t drive PS hardware I’d be banned within 10 minutes 

Nah in a PS forum I don't think you would be banned for that.

But Halo doesn't sell like it used to be nowadays. And it will be available on PC AND Xbox One ! So it won't help that much the next Xbox. 

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To tell you the truth it's a good thing, I'm tired of FPS/shooting games, I hope it will sell less nowadays. That's why I'm happy that Naughty Dog are doing The Last Of Us instead of Uncharted and Guerrilla doing Horizon Zero Dawn instead of Killzone. It's way more interesting.

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sales2099 on 23 February 2020
Keiji said:

No problem I will try to answer.

What is Lockharts ?

My opinion is that PS5 will be for 2021, not this year. That's just me. If specs of the next Xbox are above PS5, Sony will never release the console for a higher price, damn I don't even think they will release it at the same price (even at the PS2 Ultimate Juggernaut area, they lowered the price)

I think next Xbox will be release this year and at 599,99 dollars

I think also that the PC and Xbox game multiplatform's result is that there are even less Xbox players than before. It's not bad for MS because they want to sell games before consoles, so I think it's good idea, it's new strategy (we already talked about it the previous years). But as for console's success it's not good at all.

And people, we know there are far more PlayStation's fans/players than Xbox players in the World, even if we only take this generation, PS4 going to do 130 million while Xbox going to do 50 million. It's already played, the only thing that Sony should do is to not repeat the same PS3's mistakes. That's all. And they won't, they understood the lesson.

At the end I would MS doesn't need to be successful in the console's world, that's why they focus on selling games than consoles. They don't care now. But the PlayStation is very important for Sony so they will do all they can to sell consoles. That's not the same strategy.

Lockhart is the unconfirmed second console with weaker specs designed to be cheaper then PS5 by up to $100. Suppose it’s meant for people without 4K TVs but still stronger then Xbox X. Should shake things up in the price wars department. 

But otherwise I agree with everything you said. Sony’s inherent brand power is just higher then Xbox’s. Which is forcing MS to take a broader approach to reach gamers. I feel they will take NA and UK but that’s it. They will have to make up the difference in PC version sales and GP subs. 

That said there are rumours last year that MS would release a “Xcloud box” similar to how you need to by Chromecast to play Google Stadia on TV. Such a product would cost less then $100 and would be a great loophole to get around spending hundreds on a new console. Speaking hypothetically, what are your thoughts on that? I’d think it do wonders in markets Xbox struggles in. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 23 February 2020
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

He made a new provocative comment....so what happens now? I want to reply but I read this message. 

Exercise restraint. I always tell people this (with all angles of life, not just as 'Head Mod' on VGC). A dispute can't happen with only one participant and the actual winner is the one not perturbed by instigation.

Your warning was pretty serious sounding and he went off and did the same kind of post that have been addressed. Even that recent post I quoted him on....but ok. 



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goopy20 on 23 February 2020
sales2099 said:
goopy20 said:

CGI-Quality already said that true next gen games will simply be able to do more. This is not exactly a new phenomena and the only thing we don't know is what a generational leap entails exactly this time around. On paper, the leap should be a lot more significant than what we've seen this gen, especially when you consider things like Ray Tracing, which has long been considered the holy grail of game development, and the new SSD tech. 

Big AAA franchises usually take 3 to 5 years and it makes sense that neither Sony nor MS wants to rush them just so they have them ready as launch titles. But every console in history has had some low profile launch titles that at least showed off the new hardware. The public perception of newness is kinda important when you're launching a new console, it feeds desire and the launch games are a big part of that, even when they hardly deliver. Saying this plays the same games but just better will be a pretty tough sell for the Series X. So while I get that MS doesn't have a big AAA franchise ready as a Series X launch game, I do wonder why they don't have anything at all and make a statement about it like its a good thing. 

Also you forgot to answer the most important part. Why would MS stop supporting the Xone after 1 or 2 years? Wouldn't that contradict their whole goal of reaching a broader audience and in the end still piss off Xone owners? And do you honestly believe MS is doing this just because they're so consumer friendly? Everybody understands the concept of a new console generation and not a single ps4 owner will be surprised or upset if Sony dropped support for the ps4. It's always been like that and the bulk of ps4 owners probably can't wait to give Sony their holiday money and leap into the next gen asap. 

They're doing the 2 year cross-gen thing for other reasons, and it's not exactly rocket science to figure out what that is. 

“So while I get that MS doesn't have a big AAA franchise ready as a Series X launch game”

Sigh....did you just imply that Halo Infinite isn’t a AAA franchise that won’t drive system sales of the Xbox brand?

To CGI Quality: this is ridiculous. If I went on a PS forum and said X AAA launch game won’t drive PS hardware I’d be banned within 10 minutes 

I meant as a exclusive Series X launch game. Obviously Halo Infinite is a great franchise that could push Series X console sales, but not if people can also play it on Xone or mainstream pc. 



Keiji on 23 February 2020
sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

No problem I will try to answer.

What is Lockharts ?

My opinion is that PS5 will be for 2021, not this year. That's just me. If specs of the next Xbox are above PS5, Sony will never release the console for a higher price, damn I don't even think they will release it at the same price (even at the PS2 Ultimate Juggernaut area, they lowered the price)

I think next Xbox will be release this year and at 599,99 dollars

I think also that the PC and Xbox game multiplatform's result is that there are even less Xbox players than before. It's not bad for MS because they want to sell games before consoles, so I think it's good idea, it's new strategy (we already talked about it the previous years). But as for console's success it's not good at all.

And people, we know there are far more PlayStation's fans/players than Xbox players in the World, even if we only take this generation, PS4 going to do 130 million while Xbox going to do 50 million. It's already played, the only thing that Sony should do is to not repeat the same PS3's mistakes. That's all. And they won't, they understood the lesson.

At the end I would MS doesn't need to be successful in the console's world, that's why they focus on selling games than consoles. They don't care now. But the PlayStation is very important for Sony so they will do all they can to sell consoles. That's not the same strategy.

Lockhart is the unconfirmed second console with weaker specs designed to be cheaper then PS5 by up to $100. Suppose it’s meant for people without 4K TVs but still stronger then Xbox X. Should shake things up in the price wars department. 

But otherwise I agree with everything you said. Sony’s inherent brand power is just higher then Xbox’s. Which is forcing MS to take a broader approach to reach gamers. I feel they will take NA and UK but that’s it. They will have to make up the difference in PC version sales and GP subs. 

That said there are rumours last year that MS would release a “Xcloud box” similar to how you need to by Chromecast to play Google Stadia on TV. Such a product would cost less then $100 and would be a great loophole to get around spending hundreds on a new console. Speaking hypothetically, what are your thoughts on that? I’d think it do wonders in markets Xbox struggles in. 

Thank you for the explaination of Lockart. I don't have an idea of what it would do if it exist. It is also the next Xbox but with cheaper specs ? I really have no idea what it would do actually.

As for Xcloud box, they should to it. I don't know anything about it to tell you the truth.