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Radek said:

You can't deny PS5 not being held back by PS4 will come closer to hardware limits with it's Launch games compared to Xbox.

And consumers will take notice of that when debating which brand new console to buy this Holiday season.

We don't even know which launch games PS5 and XSX will have.

We don't even know how many first party launch games PS5 will have (but probably less than third party launch games).

We don't even know how many first party launch games XSX will have (but probably less than third party launch games).

We don't even know if EVERY first party launch game on PS5 will be next-gen-only or if some of them will be also available on PS4 (or did Sony already made a definite statement about that?).

"Wanting to make a fast transition from PS4 to PS5" doesn't have to mean that Sony is ending software support for PS4 this November and that all of their first party games after October will be PS5-only games.

And if the rumours are true and the XSX is faster than the PS5, the slightly better looking third party titles on XSX could outweight one or two PS5 first party launch titles "close to hardware limits" in the consumers opinion. Consumers will take notice of first and third party launch titles when debating which brand new console to buy this Holiday season. 

So yes, at this point we can deny that PS5 will have more games coming closer to hardware limits with it's Launch games compared to Xbox until we have much more informations about the launch titles on both platforms (first party and third party).



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CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

As a side note....why mention GT7? The franchise is a shadow of its former glory. Can’t hit the 80s on metacritic and Forza 8 is practically guaranteed as a launch title. If gamers want their console sim fix, Forza took that crown a loooong time ago. 

Not only is this a needless form of Trolling, the same argument could be thrown at Halo. I know, the post you quoted also does this, so I’ll make it simple to all parties I see baiting/trolling like this - best to avoid it unless you really want your words to hurt you and this thread. 
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Sorry i don’t mean to push my luck but with Halo that would mean putting Halo 5 against KZ Shadowfall if we comparing exclusives in the same genre. Which I wouldn’t mind :)

I see the old Forza/GT topic is still as hot a button as it was several years ago. I’ll keep that in mind. In the future am I allowed to at least compare metas?



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Eww at this thread, can you guys just wait until the consoles and their games properly announced instead



LudicrousSpeed said:
goopy20 said:

I already said that amazing next gen graphics don't always make for a better game. If anything we've seen games in the past that go a bit overboard in the tech department at the expense of gameplay. But it's not about whether you or me think they will be great games, it's about how the masses will look at both consoles and which one they're going to buy. All I'm saying is that MS is shooting themselves in the foot by launching the most powerful, most expensive console and have nothing to truly showcase it. At least if their goal would be to build a decent Series X install base. 

Who knows, maybe it will be the same thing next gen. Maybe the ps5 exclusives will be glorified tech-demos because developers are still wrapping their brain around Ray Tracing, for example. But at the very least they will give a glimpse of things to come and get people excited for next gen. It simply depends on the talent of the developers and which ip's will come out early. Like I said, Infamous and Killzone were never great games to begin with, but you have to admit that Sony's been on a roll with their exclusives and they moved away from most of their weaker ip's. Also, if Sony's been working on ps5 exclusives for years now, they don't have to release them at launch. They just have to show glimpses of that new SM, ND game, HZD2, Spiderman 2 etc. during the reveal, announce some early release date, and they've already won over the hearts of the core console gamers.  

Also, this is not about what Sony will do because they will do what they've always been doing. It's about what MS is doing. And they will be on stage at E3 talking about 4 billion players playing on different devices and how they want to put the player in the center, not the devices (Series X). They will show a ton of Halo Infinite, which will probably be amazing, but it will look like a remastered current gen game. But hey, you can still play it on a Xone with all your friends and there's no need to upgrade. Then they will announce a launch price of $599 or more for the Series X and people will be scratching their head as they're waiting for MS to remind them again why they need to buy it.

I'm expecting one of the most confusing console launches since MS had circus clowns and 5-year-old's, painting elephant asses, on stage with Kinect. Because MS has a completely different strategy this gen and it's not about building an installbase for the Series X and compete with Sony. It's about Xbox being a service platform, where the Series X is more of an optional niche product for people who want that "plus-plus-plus".

Hardware launches are for the hardcore gamer. You think Joe Gamer is going to drop the $500 on PS5 OR XSX at launch? Not a vast majority. And the ones that do will do so for prettier versions of Madden and CoD and other third party stuff, which if you’re saying XSX will be the most powerful.. I guess those games will look best on XSX?

You said before that XSX won’t launch with any true next gen games yet you labeled Infamous a true next gen game when it suffers from the same “problems” you say XSX games will suffer from. So you either don’t really believe any of this nonsense you’re saying or it only applies to non-Sony games. Which is it?

Not really man. The ps4 sold like 40m in its first 2 years and I remember that I couldn't get my hands on one because they were sold out everywhere. 3rd Party games should run a bit better on Series X if developers pushed both consoles to their limits. But if MS just lets the ps5 run rampant and build a huge lead in install base in the first two years, developers will likely target the specs of the ps5. Kinda what happened with the ps3/360 when only Sony's 1st party studios were really taking advantage of the cell.

I really don't know why it's so hard to grasp the difference between Infamous SS, which DF literally called a next gen masterclass, and what MS is doing with Halo Infinite. One game was build from the ground up around ps4 and would set the whole house on fire if you tried to run it on a ps3. The other is a game that is build around the Xone and will have enhancements on Series X.  



So it only applies to non-Sony games then, understood.



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CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

As a side note....why mention GT7? The franchise is a shadow of its former glory. Can’t hit the 80s on metacritic and Forza 8 is practically guaranteed as a launch title. If gamers want their console sim fix, Forza took that crown a loooong time ago. 

Not only is this a needless form of Trolling, the same argument could be thrown at Halo. I know, the post you quoted also does this, so I’ll make it simple to all parties I see baiting/trolling like this - best to avoid it unless you really want your words to hurt you and this thread. 

Okay, let me see if I understand this: goopy20 has spent WEEKS saying that MS exclusives do not compare to Sony's but THIS is what you consider bait and trolling?

Wow, and then you guys wonder what has driven discussion away from this site.



sales2099 said:
victor83fernandes said:

Microsofts problem is that those kind of players will instead build a gaming PC.

I am willing to bet that xbox series X sales will be low, and I continue to say, not having console exclusives will hurt xbox sales, example, if you have a powerful PC, you do not need an xbox, you might just upgrade your graphics card, but ps5 will be in demand even for PC gamers, because of the exclusives such as uncharted, last of us, god of war, GT7, horizon 2, etc, all ps4 games will run on ps5, so that's a lot of value for a PC gamer, which might have gone for an xbox for Halo, forza 8 and gears 5.

Furthermore, Microsoft exclusives will be playable on current gen consoles, so, people with an xbox X will not see a reason to upgrade just yet, and people with the base xbox might just go for the xbox X on blackfriday sales, as its close enough graphics wise and half the price.

Microsoft is not thinking this through, if they want to sell consoles next gen, then their approach is wrong, but we all know that they don't care, they just want customers for their services.

When horizon 2 and gt7 launches with next gen graphics and ONLY PLAYABLE ON PS5 then that's a good incentive to make people upgrade.

Fortunately I can have both, because I already payed off my house and car, and a months savings is around 1500dollars after tax and groceries, bills, so I can buy both on launch day with a few games, the question is, do I really need an xbox series X when I already have an X which runs games beautifully with my elite controler, Microsoft will need to convince me. On the other hand, ps5 is day one without even knowing the specs or looks, because it will have gt7 exclusively for it, that's more than reason enough for me to upgrade day one.

You assume people would build a gaming PC over just getting the Series X out of convenience. Gaming consoles are focused in purpose but a gaming Pc for the same specs will run you at least $1000. 

You act like having cross gen exclusives reduces the appeal....maybe in the sense Xbox gamers will choose between Xbox’s in the xbox ecosystem. Or PC gamers will stick to Pc (and didn’t want a Xbox anyway) and will buy Xbox games via Pc....that’s kinda MSs point with choice and options to game how you want. 

End of the day it comes down to console gamers on the fence between Xbox and PS. Is Halo Infinite on PS5? No....being cross gen has nothing to do with that basic question. Will Xbox exclusives be on PS? No. 

Early adopters are core gamers. They would want the series X because it’s the best version of the games they want. Who would settle for the poor mans version if they are used to having power? I’d say the majority of Xbox X owners will upgrade within the first year....because power matters to them. Otherwise they would have stuck it out with the S. 

As a side note....why mention GT7? The franchise is a shadow of its former glory. Can’t hit the 80s on metacritic and Forza 8 is practically guaranteed as a launch title. If gamers want their console sim fix, Forza took that crown a loooong time ago. 

But here’s the real takeaway: More players >>>>> more consoles sold

If you say more players >>>> more consoles sold, are you talking as a gamer or a MS shareholder? Just imagine if Sony announced a major change in their strategy. From now on they want to reach a broader audience and therefore TLOU2 will get a simultaneous release on ps4 and the Nintendo Switch. Then they say the Switch version will not be some second rate port, but in fact will be the base platform, while on ps4 it will be "plus-plus-plus". Don't you think people would be pissed and the game would be seriously compromised in scope and ambition? 

And you're right that Halo Infinite isn't on ps5 and if it was pushing the Series X, it probably would require a $1000+ pc. However, since it's designed for Xone, almost everyone has a pc that can run it. Hell, it will probably run fine on a MAcbook.  



goopy20 said:
sales2099 said:

You assume people would build a gaming PC over just getting the Series X out of convenience. Gaming consoles are focused in purpose but a gaming Pc for the same specs will run you at least $1000. 

You act like having cross gen exclusives reduces the appeal....maybe in the sense Xbox gamers will choose between Xbox’s in the xbox ecosystem. Or PC gamers will stick to Pc (and didn’t want a Xbox anyway) and will buy Xbox games via Pc....that’s kinda MSs point with choice and options to game how you want. 

End of the day it comes down to console gamers on the fence between Xbox and PS. Is Halo Infinite on PS5? No....being cross gen has nothing to do with that basic question. Will Xbox exclusives be on PS? No. 

Early adopters are core gamers. They would want the series X because it’s the best version of the games they want. Who would settle for the poor mans version if they are used to having power? I’d say the majority of Xbox X owners will upgrade within the first year....because power matters to them. Otherwise they would have stuck it out with the S. 

As a side note....why mention GT7? The franchise is a shadow of its former glory. Can’t hit the 80s on metacritic and Forza 8 is practically guaranteed as a launch title. If gamers want their console sim fix, Forza took that crown a loooong time ago. 

But here’s the real takeaway: More players >>>>> more consoles sold

If you say more players >>>> more consoles sold, are you talking as a gamer or a MS shareholder? Just imagine if Sony announced a major change in their strategy. From now on they want to reach a broader audience and therefore TLOU2 will get a simultaneous release on ps4 and the Nintendo Switch. Then they say the Switch version will not be some second rate port, but in fact will be the base platform, while on ps4 it will be "plus-plus-plus". Don't you think people would be pissed and the game would be seriously compromised in scope and ambition? 

And you're right that Halo Infinite isn't on ps5 and if it was pushing the Series X, it probably would require a $1000+ pc. However, since it's designed for Xone, almost everyone has a pc that can run it. Hell, it will probably run fine on a MAcbook.  

I’m talking as a fan. We usually measure console war victories by number of consoles sold. It’s the front page of this site. Because that means most players aka majority rule. We all know consoles are not the money maker.

MS realized they have a literal monopoly on PC OS with a built in game marketplace that they finally decided to take seriously. Plus Steam partnerships. Lol I’m sorry Sony doesn’t have a strong Pc presence and MS can get more converts into the mix without having to buy a console. But yes, I believe most players >>>>>selling the most plastic boxes. You can’t “win” with minority rule

Your propaganda doesn’t phase me. I made more then clear that MS knows how to scale their games and every machine gets the best possible version. Halo Infinite was designed for a PC that is stronger then Series X and scales down.....if people want the Pc version on lower settings...like I said that’s more people in the Xbox ecosystem. Who am I to tell them which version to buy? We all in the same family :)

Last edited by sales2099 - on 19 February 2020

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Radek said:
sales2099 said:

I’m talking as a fan. We measure console war victories by number of consoles sold. Because that means most players aka majority rule. We all know consoles are not the money maker.

So I’m sorry MS realized they have a literal monopoly on PC OS with a built in game marketplace that they finally decided to take seriously. Lol I’m sorry Sony doesn’t have a strong Pc presence. But yes, I believe most players >>>>>selling the most plastic boxes. 

Your propaganda doesn’t phase me. I made more then clear that MS knows how to scale their games and every machine gets the best possible version. Halo Infinite was designed for a PC that is stronger then Series X and scales down.....if people want the Pc version on lower settings...like I said that’s more people in the Xbox ecosystem. Who am I to tell them which version to buy? We all in the same family :)

The thing is PC gamers while technically there's hundreds of millions of them, only few millions of them buy or play Microsoft games on Microsoft Store or Steam, so Sony is still reaching more gamers technically with 107 millions and over a billion games sold on PS4.

I like to see next gen as a fresh start, when their 1st party games actually start getting pumped out. I’d say every Steam user is a potential MS exclusive customer....that’s not 3 million lol.

And by more players I also mean “active players”. Both matter. 



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Radek said:
sales2099 said:

I’m talking as a fan. We measure console war victories by number of consoles sold. Because that means most players aka majority rule. We all know consoles are not the money maker.

So I’m sorry MS realized they have a literal monopoly on PC OS with a built in game marketplace that they finally decided to take seriously. Lol I’m sorry Sony doesn’t have a strong Pc presence. But yes, I believe most players >>>>>selling the most plastic boxes. 

Your propaganda doesn’t phase me. I made more then clear that MS knows how to scale their games and every machine gets the best possible version. Halo Infinite was designed for a PC that is stronger then Series X and scales down.....if people want the Pc version on lower settings...like I said that’s more people in the Xbox ecosystem. Who am I to tell them which version to buy? We all in the same family :)

The thing is PC gamers while technically there's hundreds of millions of them, only few millions of them buy or play Microsoft games on Microsoft Store or Steam, so Sony is still reaching more gamers technically with 107 millions and over a billion games sold on PS4.

That's what some dont get. 

More consoles = more software sold. Exclusives and third party.

More exclusives/higher rates = more reasons to buy consoles = quicker adoption rate.

Quicker adoption rate = more third party exclusivity. 

More consoles = bigger ecosystem = more users.

Now on the other hand if you follow ms strategy.

Exclusives on other platforms = slower adoption rate.

Slower adoption rate = less priority for third party multyplats.

Less consoles = smaller ecosystem/less users 

Less users = less software sold.

First party on other platform = does not increase user base.

Its a cascade effect. If the goal for MS is bigger users base and don't care for hardware sold then this strategy also hurts them. As games being sold else where means more profit for them from first party games but it also means less multyplats sold and thouse users who would have bought the hardware to play a specific game would probably have bought more games on that console, but now they won't.



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