You bring up Witcher 3, it's just another title that proves your theory wrong. It was designed to run on PC, then the MicroSony versions were scaled down for those "tablet CPU's" you referred to, and then later it was scaled down again for the Nintendo Switch. Yet the game didn't really suffer. AFAIK there's nothing in the PC version you can't do in the Switch version outside of mods, the Switch version will just not look nearly as good or run at the same possible frame rate. Gameplay and design wise it's the same game. Had the game taken the design route you assume incorrectly that games do, the game would have been designed for the Switch and then ported up to MicroSony consoles and PC.

Also we don't know anything about the Cyberpunk delay. We read some rumor and we heard from CDPR themselves. I'm sure the game will be downgraded too, regardless of if there was a delay or not. That's the industry we play in right now. But functionality wise it will be the same game. You're yet to actually explain why a game designed for XSX and ported down to Xbone would have to be severely limited. You're also yet to provide any source that CDPR has to dramatically alter and cut Cyberpunk.

Look there's no good or bad, it all depends if you plan to buy a next gen console around launch or not. If you're not, then I'm sure it's great news that MS will still support the X1, 2 years down the road. But people who do buy them at launch simply want to get the full experience asap and not wait 3 years before they finally get to see why they spend $600 on a console. I mean isn't that the whole point of having a 12TFlops console in the first place?

So yeah, it doesn't sound like you want to buy a series X at launch and this is all great news for you. But that doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't expect MS to launch any 1st party game in the first 2 years that will even try to do things we haven't seen before this gen. 

I keep telling you that launch titles only scratch the surface of what a console can really do....this is true every gen. Why can’t you absorb that information?

I actually wait for a year or so before I upgrade gens. But I’m a big Halo guy so I’m day 1 Series X Halo edition. MS has me by the balls and I don’t mind one bit :) That for example is a 5 year game and I don’t care if the Xbox One version is 480p, it makes no difference to the Series X graphics.

Again....Witcher 3, Hellblade Switch VS Xbox X for scaling. Titanfall and Forza Horizon 2 were great cross gen titles. Your argument is very much a strawman one. 

Edit: Project Mara is definitely something new and what we haven’t seen before. Another point against you. So far it seems only MS is announcing next gen games 

I can't absorb that information because I'm an optimist, while you make it sound like its a fact that the launch games will be terrible. Like I said, we have no idea what kind of launch games we are getting. Some of the most iconic games were launch titles and they are kinda important as they can make or break a console. Halo, MGS, Resident Evil 2, Wii-Sports, Super Mario, Tekken, MArio64, BOTW etc. were all launch titles. So no, launch titles don't have to suck by default. 

Project Mara does look interesting, don't know what to expect from it and if it's a big budget game or just some experiment. But yeah, at least it's something different. Sony hasn't even officially announced the ps5, though. We will probably see in a couple of weeks, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do show Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Spiderman 2 and whatnot. And I bet you my entire Pokemon collection that if those games will be ps5 exclusives, they will make Halo Infinite look like a remaster and no one will care about the 12Tflops vs 9 Tflops. 

I said historically launch games are hardly Sony’s best quality games. But I meant that power wise the lunch titles only scratch the surface. THIS is a fact every gen. Ok then, till E3 we wait. 

But also historically, they also switch structures. This will be the first time they maintain 86x. So they already know what they are working with. Pretty sure that the RDNA2 new resourses they need to learn will most likely be achived with n the first year.  

That's not really true. We had loads of launch games this gen that set a new graphical benchmark like Shadowfall, Infamous SS, Ryze, Driveclub, Forza 5 etc. Were they all great games? Not really, but they did at least take advantage of the hardware.

Next gen we can only hope that the launch titles will combine next gen tech with actual good game play. I do think Sony has much better ip's this time around to do that, though. I mean Killzone always kinda sucked and never had much critical acclaim. Horizon Zero Dawn is a different beast altogether, though. Insomniac finally stepped away from Ratchet and Crank and struck gold with Spiderman. Both could easily be launch titles that would take full advantage of the new hardware. 

You just listed a bunch of games that excelled in graphics but did nothing gameplay wise that separated them from the previous gen. Even if your most optimistically negative fears come true and every XSX game for year one are just Xbone games with better graphics, how are those two situations any different? In both scenarios you’re playing what are essentially last gen games with good graphics. Does it really bother you that much that there are Xbone SKUs as well? You claim SS did nothing special gameplay wise, if it were the exact same game as you got and the exact same graphics but there was also a scaled back, lower resolution PS3 version with much less impressive effects, would that have affected how much you enjoyed SS on PS4? 

This, of course, is ignoring that your fear of them developing for Xbone as baseline and then just sprucing you graphics is wildly incorrect. 

We already went over this man. But ok, true next gen games don't mean they are fantastic with totally new gameplay by default. It simply means they do things that wouldn't be possible on current gen. Now, I agree that it's not always obvious why a game wouldn't work on previous gen but that has to do with how talented the developers are and how they decide to use the extra horsepower. But is it really that hard to phantom that things like the SSD could be a game changer for overall level design and we could be seeing completely different gaming experiences? I mean something like Apex Legends wouldn't exist if it also had to run on ps3/360 and there's a reason why there is no Monster Hunter World on the Switch.  

A Game that's build from the ground up around next gen tech is something entirely different than having the exact same game running in 60fps and native 4k on next gen and lower settings on current gen. Multiplatform games are designed to give the exact same gameplay experience across all platforms and the base platform is always the weakest console. That's why pc gamers were pissed when something like Crysis went multiplatform and was dramatically reduced in scale. And why a ps5 or Series X exclusive should be a lot more impressive than a cross gen title. Of course, Halo Infinite will look and run better on the Series X, but it will be like Halo 5 on X1 vs Halo 5 on X1X and not a totally different experience. 

We have went over it but you keep repeating the same nonsense. I’m sure before it happened, no one would have expected Witcher 3 to be possible on Switch either. And sure, Apex isn’t on Switch, but Fortnite is. These are games designed for hardware far beyond Switch yet they were scaled back enough to run on it. Multiple people have provided multiple cases of other games doing the same thing and I’ve even provided you with multiple Microsoft games that were made on powerful hardware and scaled down yet you, Mr Optimism, seem to only want to acknowledge those rare games that you incorrectly believe support your agenda. Like that last post for example. Apex isn’t on Switch, but lots of other next gen games are.

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