For starters, you're referencing a rumor as if it's factual. Secondly, they are delaying it to optimize the game? What is the alternative, release it unfinished? By unfinished I mean, not optimized and as free as possible of bugs and glitches? I mean, they said the game is finished and playable, but has a lot of kinks to work out. Why would they not delay that?

Oh man that sure sounds rough. I assume you have credible CDPR sources to back this up? Because I saw their press release about the delay, I read the transcript of the conference call. None of this was mentioned. Secondly why in the world would they need to remove entire parts of the game across all platforms LOL. This is crazy. And why does it need to run at 900p on Xbox One?

Uh, what? It's very rare that a developer shows off a game and then releases an entirely different game. What are you talking about? It might not be new, but it's extremely rare. Not even worth mentioning. And what am I supposed to learn from that Ubisoft video? All that you are describing sounds like poor development management. "too ambitious for its own good" doesn't sound like a good thing for any game regardless of what platform it launches on or what generation.

You can look back to some of Microsoft's own games to see that they don't develop cross gen games with the weaker hardware in mind and then just spruce up the graphics for the more powerful hardware. You've been giving examples numerous times in this thread about the opposite happening. You've been giving numerous examples of other developers employing the same development strategy. For someone who claims to be optimistic, you sure do ignore all the positive info given to you and focus only on potential negative assumptions you're making.

Nowhere does it say that they have to cut parts of the game or  going back to the drawing board....

This only tells me that next gen, PS5 could very well hinder the Series X from getting its full potential. Like how Destiny 2 was hindered on the Xbox X with only 30fps due to Sony marketing $$$. 

This only strengthens my argument from before. Halo Infinite will have 720p, half the draw distance, 30 FPS, no ray tracing, etc etc....the Series X version will look THAT more next gen by comparison :)

This is about launch titles.....your argument would have merit if Sony actually committed their best games at launch. Killzone Shadowfall ain’t no God Of War buddy 

My proof is the factual specs of the Xbox X vs the (by comparison) non 4K Ps4Pro. And with Sony having exclusive marketing rights and DLC at the time....it would be a conflicting message to have a superior version out there. 

So my proof is specs and my reason is business 101 common sense. If you demand I hack into Bungies employee files to find incriminating emails or board meeting minutes to prove it further....lol. 

That first sentence is an extremely predictable comeback.....Tell me, are both versions functionally identical? Because if the answer is yes, then something is fishy. Simple as that. 

Edit: even if you are right, then my example was wrong. But not the principle and overall point i made 

We don't know what Cyberpunk will look like but I don't think they would delay it by 5 months if they just had to squash some bugs and do some better optimization. But that's also not the point, my point is that the X1 is already making it difficult for a game that wasn't even designed with next gen consoles in mind. Now think what will happen if a game is build for next gen consoles but still has to provide a similar gameplay experience on the Xone? If you look at AC Unity, they still wouldn't be able to do the things they showed in the video like co-op, and the crowds that were supposed to be an important gameplay mechanic.

And you're actually right about the ps5 potentially holding back the Series X. But only if developers would go out and push the Series X to it's limits, and not if it also has to run on the Xone. 

You’re cherry picking games to suit your argument but ignoring all the others. First it was some Ass Creed game that wasn’t cross gen even though there are plenty of examples of cross gen games where the advanced features and elements are exclusive to the more powerful hardware. Now it’s “Xbone is already holding back current gen games” based entirely off of rumors about one particular title, ignoring all the other impressive third party games that come out on Xbone no problems at all.

And yes, sometimes developers do run into big problems and need months to recover. I’m still waiting on this source from CDPR saying they have to cut content and completely redesign parts of the game. How optimistic of you.

You know your whole argument is invalid because you don’t actually care? You clearly are a PS fan and have no desire to buy an Xbox...what do you care that Series X games will have a Xbox One version? (I know the answer to that)

Forza Horizon 2, Titanfall are just some examples of games that worked fine with cross gen releases. And 3rd parties have zero obligation to make Xbox One versions.

Look in the end MS finding a way to scale their games within their own ecosystem. They aren’t screwing over late adopters. And if the games are amazing, people won’t care that they are cross gen. 

Or they could go the Sony route and give launch titles the full power of the next gen potential...just like Knack (meta 54) and Killzone Shadowfall (metacritc 73). Lol this is where your argument really falls apart. 

I'm actually a pretty objective gamer. Yes, I do prefer Sony's exclusives and I wish MS would step up a bit and focus on getting some of their own. However, I loved the original Xbox and would probably have picked up a Xbox OneX if I didn't already have a ps4 pro. The big appeal for buying a Series X is because it's apparently quite a bit more powerful than the ps5, which is reason enough for me to buy one. However, I would only be interested if the extra horsepower translates into better looking games. Not if they are designed to run on a tablet cpu as well.

Are you now seriously making it sound like it's bad thing if Sony gives their games full next potential because Knack sucked? How can you be so certain that Sony's launch games will be terrible and what if they do launch with a Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Spiderman 2, a new ND IP etc.?   

And yes, Cyberpunk is just 1 game that we know off is getting delayed because of the weak sauce X1. But it's also one of the most impressive looking and anticipated games to come out this year. They are obviously pushing the current gen consoles to their limits and now they can't get the game to run without setting the X1 on fire. We will see, but I got a feeling that the final game won't be quite as impressive as the footage they've shown so far, just like what happened with the Witcher 3. And if I'm right, that just proves that next gen games WILL be seriously limited if they have to run on the X1 as well.  

With your 1st paragraph, unless you buy a Series X in the 3rd year when they get the most out of it in your mind, then you otherwise just continuing to “concern troll”. 

I think you are worse for saying it’s bad MS isn’t screwing over late adopters. And historically it’s a fact that launch titles do not get the most out of the hardware compared to years down the road. I’m saying quality trumps being cross gen every time. Look at Zelda BOTW. 

Sry but it’s a 3rd party dev that has trouble scaling down. Maybe they want to target 900p when 720p will do....you are literally assuming the worst to suit your agenda. You are not an “objective” gamer by any means. You are a PS guy, I suggest you just own it. 

Guess I’ll see you on Xbox Live in year 3 of the gen. If you actually back up your talk. 

He claimed before that Infamous SS was a "true next gen game" just because of graphics and special effects, even while admitting that gameplay and design wise it didn't do anything special over the PS3 games. Which looking at it logically, would mean he should be fine with XSX games being prettier versions of Xbone games but apparently it's a big problem if Microsoft launch titles aren't radically advanced over last gen.