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Forums - Sony Discussion - PS4 sells through 106 million, Over 1.15 BILLION Games Sold!

thismeintiel on 07 January 2020
CuCabeludo said:
Radek said:
PS4 is a monster and PS5 has a chance to dethrone both PS4 and PS2!

No console will sell more than PS2. The PS2 sold so well due to the large number of third party exclusive games it had. If you wanted to play a game, even a third party game, you had no other option but PS2. Now third party exclusivity is very rare, when it happens it is timed exclusivity (usually 1 year). Also it was the cheapest dvd player on the market. But now streaming is becoming more popular than buying movies in Blu-ray.

PS2 was not the cheapest DVD player on market. When the PS2 launched in 2000 for $299, you could get a DVD player for $100-$150. By the time it dropped to $179 in 2003, you could get one for $50. No one bought the PS2 to play DVDs. They bought it to game on, and then bought DVDs because it also had that feature.



 

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Farsala on 07 January 2020

My prediction for PS4 remains unchanged from past sales threads with a range of 115m-120m. This prediction includes the assumption of no price cuts from Sony, as I don't expect it this late.

At $299 in 2020, sales will drop hard to below 10m like ZhugeEx says. 9m until PS5 launch would put it at 115m, and at $299 in 2021 next to a $399 PS5, less than 5m sales is expected. This is good for a smooth transition into the PS5, but the PS4 sales will suffer.



thismeintiel on 07 January 2020
Farsala said:
My prediction for PS4 remains unchanged from past sales threads with a range of 115m-120m. This prediction includes the assumption of no price cuts from Sony, as I don't expect it this late.

At $299 in 2020, sales will drop hard to below 10m like ZhugeEx says. 9m until PS5 launch would put it at 115m, and at $299 in 2021 next to a $399 PS5, less than 5m sales is expected. This is good for a smooth transition into the PS5, but the PS4 sales will suffer.

$299 is not going to be the PS4's final price.  We'll at least get a cut to $249.



 

Farsala on 07 January 2020
thismeintiel said:
Farsala said:
My prediction for PS4 remains unchanged from past sales threads with a range of 115m-120m. This prediction includes the assumption of no price cuts from Sony, as I don't expect it this late.

At $299 in 2020, sales will drop hard to below 10m like ZhugeEx says. 9m until PS5 launch would put it at 115m, and at $299 in 2021 next to a $399 PS5, less than 5m sales is expected. This is good for a smooth transition into the PS5, but the PS4 sales will suffer.

$299 is not going to be the PS4's final price.  We'll at least get a cut to $249.

That would be more interesting if it happened, but so far there is no indication that it will happen.



DonFerrari on 08 January 2020
thismeintiel said:
CuCabeludo said:

No console will sell more than PS2. The PS2 sold so well due to the large number of third party exclusive games it had. If you wanted to play a game, even a third party game, you had no other option but PS2. Now third party exclusivity is very rare, when it happens it is timed exclusivity (usually 1 year). Also it was the cheapest dvd player on the market. But now streaming is becoming more popular than buying movies in Blu-ray.

PS2 was not the cheapest DVD player on market. When the PS2 launched in 2000 for $299, you could get a DVD player for $100-$150. By the time it dropped to $179 in 2003, you could get one for $50. No one bought the PS2 to play DVDs. They bought it to game on, and then bought DVDs because it also had that feature.

PS2 sold 1.5B SW but was bought to play DVD that is a gold in VGC.

BraLoD said:
Between TLoU and TLoU2 Playstation actually sold more than 1 Billion games, lol.

Now I want you to make the projection of how much SW PS will have sold between LoD1 and LoD2.



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Nate4Drake on 08 January 2020

Great numbers, congrats Sony !



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Barkley on 08 January 2020
Farsala said:
My prediction for PS4 remains unchanged from past sales threads with a range of 115m-120m. This prediction includes the assumption of no price cuts from Sony, as I don't expect it this late.

PS3 sell-through (2013 - End of Life) = 14.9m

So if PS4 only matches the PS3 in this period (2020 - End of Life) it reaches 120.9m in sales. But PS4 has outperformed the PS3 in every other time period, I don't see why it would suddenly stop now.

In terms of shipments PS3 managed 7m after the launch of the PS4. PS4 is forecast to hit 110m by march, so if it can then ship another 3m in April-November they then only have to match the PS3 in post-successor shipments to hit 120m.

Basically anything less than 120m seems extremely unlikely. It would have to perform worse than the PS3 in this period.



Farsala on 08 January 2020
Barkley said:
Farsala said:
My prediction for PS4 remains unchanged from past sales threads with a range of 115m-120m. This prediction includes the assumption of no price cuts from Sony, as I don't expect it this late.

PS3 sell-through (2013 - End of Life) = 14.9m

So if PS4 only matches the PS3 in this period (2020 - End of Life) it reaches 120.9m in sales. But PS4 has outperformed the PS3 in every other time period, I don't see why it would suddenly stop now.

In terms of shipments PS3 managed 7m after the launch of the PS4. PS4 is forecast to hit 110m by march, so if it can then ship another 3m in April-November they then only have to match the PS3 in post-successor shipments to hit 120m.

Basically anything less than 120m seems extremely unlikely. It would have to perform worse than the PS3 in this period.

At its current price ratio, it will perform worse than the PS3. The PS3 was a $599 console on sale for ~$249 by its end. The PS4 is a $399 console sold for $299.



Intrinsic on 08 January 2020
Nu-13 said:
CuCabeludo said:

I don't see it happening because there are more choices to play multiplat games today compared to the first years of PS2 (which was the house of a lot of third party exclusives for a good period of time and also sold well as a cheap DVD player rather than only a console). And over the next decade cloud gaming will also see a considerable expansion, one more option to play games for the folks that don't want to invest in any gaming hardware and will prefer play on their phones, macbooks, tablets and potato machines.

But the switch is already on track to get relatively "close" to ps2 numbers. A switch 2 that gets even better support than the switch (and since launch, not after years) would be the first console in a long time with the potential to beat ps2.

Don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. Yes the SW is faster to 50M than the PS4, but by just like 3 months or so. The PS4 is going to end up being a 120M-125Mselling console, I really don't see how the switch is going to end up near the PS2 (so that's like 135M+) before the switch 2 comes about, which should happen around 2023/2024.

A lot o external factors led to the PS2 selling as well as it did. A collection of which is likely never to be replicated again. People tend to forget that when the PS2 hit that milestone, we didn't have smartphones and tablets, and both Nintendo and Xbox had consoles that sold around 30M units each or so. Very very very different times.



Keiji on 08 January 2020
Nu-13 said:
CuCabeludo said:

I don't see it happening because there are more choices to play multiplat games today compared to the first years of PS2 (which was the house of a lot of third party exclusives for a good period of time and also sold well as a cheap DVD player rather than only a console). And over the next decade cloud gaming will also see a considerable expansion, one more option to play games for the folks that don't want to invest in any gaming hardware and will prefer play on their phones, macbooks, tablets and potato machines.

But the switch is already on track to get relatively "close" to ps2 numbers. A switch 2 that gets even better support than the switch (and since launch, not after years) would be the first console in a long time with the potential to beat ps2.