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javi741 said:
Radek said:

Everyone expecting PS4 to be below 10 millions LOL you are so wrong!

lolllllll

And that's with a Covid boost that was still unknown at the time of making this thread...



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yo33331 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

And that's with a Covid boost that was still unknown at the time of making this thread...

Yes, because any normal manufacturer would and have done a price cut in the year when their next console comes out .. (or at least most of them) and it is normal, it have to be done.. with PS4 getting price cut of 50 or even 100$ it would do at least 10-11M even without the covid .. and at least 12M with the covid, because it would be not only just cheaper but also would do more of a difference between it and the PS5 which starts at 399$ for the digital one .. and also other factor that could help was the stock .. in the last couple of months sony did not produce and sent out as much PS4 units as it was needed

The way the sales have gone, even a pricecut wouldn't have changed much. To really effect the sales, the price would have needed to be sliced in half, and that was just too much to be worth it. Hence why my prediction was only 8.5M, even a standard $50 pricecut would only have pushed it to maybe 9 or 9.5 absolute maximum without Covid.

Also, you say it's because no pricecut. But you stated that even without anything, PS4 would have sold 12M last year:

yo33331 said:

PS4 - 12M at worst (without price cut, no super slim, nothing) and 15M at best (with price cut 50-100$, super slim version)

So you are contradicting yourself a bit here. Back then you said 12M minimum without any pricecut, now you're saying it would have gotten 10-11M with a pricecut, even without covid...

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Almost everyone was significantly off with the Switch but considering the circumstances that is very understandable. I certainly never expected it to be up so much compared to 2019 and have the second biggest year ever for a console.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
javi741 said:

lolllllll

And that's with a Covid boost that was still unknown at the time of making this thread...

I think covid might not have changed overall sales for the PS4 and Xbox One much and instead just changed when they happened. Both systems sold more in the March-May period than the October-December period which is insane and probably unprecedented. What likely happened is a lot of consoles that would've gotten sold during the holiday and in general second half of the year got sold in the first half of the year which combined with covid straining manufacturing causing Sony and Microsoft to slow down production of the old consoles a lot faster left the Switch the only system to get a big overall boost due to the pandemic.



The demand for PS4 was there, stop pretending that even with a price cut it wouldn’t increase sales.

Excluding launch years, 2020 was the first time Sony didn’t made any Offers/bundles.

The system hasn’t receive any price cut since September 2016 and is still $299/399 and had extremely limited stock.



Norion said:

Almost everyone was significantly off with the Switch but considering the circumstances that is very understandable. I certainly never expected it to be up so much compared to 2019 and have the second biggest year ever for a console.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

And that's with a Covid boost that was still unknown at the time of making this thread...

I think covid might not have changed overall sales for the PS4 and Xbox One much and instead just changed when they happened. Both systems sold more in the March-May period than the October-December period which is insane and probably unprecedented. What likely happened is a lot of consoles that would've gotten sold during the holiday and in general second half of the year got sold in the first half of the year which combined with covid straining manufacturing causing Sony and Microsoft to slow down production of the old consoles a lot faster left the Switch the only system to get a big overall boost due to the pandemic.

I agree, and that's also why sales this Christmas season is so damn low - people bought their consoles and games beforehand this year around.



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It's crazy how time changes things. I originally said:
Switch: 21M (Adjusted months later to 24M)
PS5: 5M
XSX: 3.5M
PS4: 9M
X1: 2.5M

Looks like I was way off with Switch...darn near perfect with PS5 and PS4...and surprisingly the XSX and X1 numbers just need to be flipped. Assuming VGCharts doesn't have to do too much adjusting.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Norion said:

Almost everyone was significantly off with the Switch but considering the circumstances that is very understandable. I certainly never expected it to be up so much compared to 2019 and have the second biggest year ever for a console.

I think covid might not have changed overall sales for the PS4 and Xbox One much and instead just changed when they happened. Both systems sold more in the March-May period than the October-December period which is insane and probably unprecedented. What likely happened is a lot of consoles that would've gotten sold during the holiday and in general second half of the year got sold in the first half of the year which combined with covid straining manufacturing causing Sony and Microsoft to slow down production of the old consoles a lot faster left the Switch the only system to get a big overall boost due to the pandemic.

I agree, and that's also why sales this Christmas season is so damn low - people bought their consoles and games beforehand this year around.

Ah I thought you were thinking PS4 did like a million more than it otherwise would've. That could've impacted Switch too but less so than the others so aside from it causing their games to be delayed Nintendo got lucky it happened right as their very successful console was entering its peak period.



Norion said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I agree, and that's also why sales this Christmas season is so damn low - people bought their consoles and games beforehand this year around.

Ah I thought you were thinking PS4 did like a million more than it otherwise would've. That could've impacted Switch too but less so than the others so aside from it causing their games to be delayed Nintendo got lucky it happened right as their very successful console was entering its peak period.

It's possible that they got a bit more due to potential slightly higher production before switching production lines to PS5/XS, but that would only has an effect of a couple hundred thousand at most, with less than 200k in total across both PS4 and XBO more probable.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Norion said:

Ah I thought you were thinking PS4 did like a million more than it otherwise would've. That could've impacted Switch too but less so than the others so aside from it causing their games to be delayed Nintendo got lucky it happened right as their very successful console was entering its peak period.

It's possible that they got a bit more due to potential slightly higher production before switching production lines to PS5/XS, but that would only has an effect of a couple hundred thousand at most, with less than 200k in total across both PS4 and XBO more probable.

That seems about right yeah. Now to see how much the pandemic will impact Switch, PS5 and Series X/S sales this year since the first half of 2021 won't be that much different with covid though the second half will hopefully see things start to mostly get back to normal.



jason1637 said:

Switch: 18m
PS4: 8.5m
XBO: 3.3m
PS5: 4.0n
XSX: 3.5m

Lol at my Switch prediction. This year was massive for that console.