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I think it's funny that people make a big deal about the Iraq vote, but fail to mention that 120 or so refused to show up to protest the vote. Sure, a simple majority won, but it proves there a large portion in the country who are happy this happened.



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Israel wants its war with Iran, but off course they don't want to spend money nor lose lives. USA as any good puppet will give them this war, american taxpayers will fund it and american soldiers will gladly die for Israel.



SpokenTruth said:

I won't link to anything yet until I can get a valid source but if this is correct, this is far worse than it seemed.  We may have just moved into official war crimes territory.

Trump called the Prime Minister of Iraq asking him to play a mediator role between the US and Iran.  Soleimani was the Iranian official who was supposed to meet the Iraqi PM that day. 

Trump and the administration not only killed Soleimani but they set him up and used a potential brokered deal in Iraq to do it.

If that is true, that's sick. Really really sick.

The only way the US redeems itself is by sending Trump, Pompeo, and Bolton over to Iran answer charges of murder, terrorism, and all associated conspiracy charges.



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SpokenTruth said:

Well hell. We may have just started a war.

We (the US) carried out an airstrike that in Iraq killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani, head of Iran’s elite Quds Force and architect of its regional security apparatus and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, deputy commander of Iran-backed militias in Iraq known as the Popular Mobilization Forces.

This is the kind of action that Iran will retaliate for...militarily.  For all the talk about bringing the troops home and ending the wars in the Middle East and southwest Asia, we may have ruined it all.

https://apnews.com/5597ff0f046a67805cc233d5933a53ed

War is in the DNA of America so starting a war is just business as usual, don't worry too much about it.

Even as an American you shouldn't worry about it, it's the government's problem, they did it so let them muddle through.

I have no sympathy for Iran, as the free-thinker that I am, they are at the absolute opposite of everything I stand for. But I don't have much sympathy for the US either, this habit of thinking they are so superior that they can murder someone like that and get away with it.

At the end of the day I only see 2 bullies that are threatening each other. None has the higher moral ground so let them bark at each other and do whatever.

Now if you want a prediction, I'd say the US has the advantage, a much more powerful army, high technology and like I said, war being in their DNA so if war it is, then the US will feel right at home like a fish in water. The best Iran can do is terrorist attacks against embassies and other such places but they can't attack the US directly and terrorist attacks happen all the time which means that whatever happens  won't be very different from what is already happening all the time.



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So how many Americans can be claimed to be terrorists and be bombed by foreign countries?
Would you be ok with that?



SpokenTruth said:

I won't link to anything yet until I can get a valid source but if this is correct, this is far worse than it seemed.  We may have just moved into official war crimes territory.

Trump called the Prime Minister of Iraq asking him to play a mediator role between the US and Iran.  Soleimani was the Iranian official who was supposed to meet the Iraqi PM that day. 

Trump and the administration not only killed Soleimani but they set him up and used a potential brokered deal in Iraq to do it.

I don't get it, what is it you call "war crimes territory"?

As if some military actions are not crimes. ANY murder should be a crime, whether perpetrated by an individual or a nation.

But this notion that some wars are "legal" is ridiculous. The moment a nation goes to war, it has blood in its hands and none of it should be ok or legal or not a crime.

All those times the US has bombed some country and killed families and children even if they did not mean to is an ABSOLUTE CRIME. So forgive me if killing some evil Iranian general does not make me produce tears in my eyes. Since some types of killings or wars are not considered crimes, I won't bother considering the killing of this Iranian guy a crime either.



CrazyGamer2017 said:

War is in the DNA of America so starting a war is just business as usual, don't worry too much about it.

Even as an American you shouldn't worry about it, it's the government's problem, they did it so let them muddle through.

I have no sympathy for Iran, as the free-thinker that I am, they are at the absolute opposite of everything I stand for. But I don't have much sympathy for the US either, this habit of thinking they are so superior that they can murder someone like that and get away with it.

At the end of the day I only see 2 bullies that are threatening each other. None has the higher moral ground so let them bark at each other and do whatever.

Now if you want a prediction, I'd say the US has the advantage, a much more powerful army, high technology and like I said, war being in their DNA so if war it is, then the US will feel right at home like a fish in water. The best Iran can do is terrorist attacks against embassies and other such places but they can't attack the US directly and terrorist attacks happen all the time which means that whatever happens  won't be very different from what is already happening all the time.

The US and UK are the reason Iran is the way it is today, everything you don't like about them the US and UK installed as in 1951 they had a democratic government who were more for freedom and development of the country this also meant the nationalizing of their oil the result was the US and UK overthrowing their Government in 1953 and installing a puppet Monarch dictator who oppressed the people with torture and secret police (who were trained by the US) for 25 years not to mention the CIA aided him in doing so. He was overthrown by the people in the Islamic Revolution only problem was that he executed all the people who were for democracy so who were the only people left to take over the country, secret police and dollar print machines? The same radical clerics running the show today.

US has the advantage in the numbers problem is they had that in Vietnam, Somalia and Afghanistan and non of those wars went anywhere close to plan they were forced out in two and are still fighting one today 18 years after it started which complicates going into a conflict with Iran who are their neighbours meaning a conflict could lead to handing Iran not just Iraq but also Afghanistan.



SpokenTruth said:

I do worry about it because of people.  83 million there and 330 million here.  I don't want to see people getting killed over bruised egos.

It also appears you're not aware of one of Iran's most deadly capabilities....cyber attacks.

As in people would not be getting killed like ALL THE TIME and EVERYWHERE if that general had not been murdered?

As in humanity has been at peace and loving each other for all of its history and now that this general was murdered thing will change?

If you don't want to see humans kill other humans over bruised egos, I'd say the best advice is to not be a human at all. Yeah I know, I made the same mistake too, I was born and I'm human too. Being born, obviously my biggest mistake...

As for cyber attacks, that's ok. Last time I've heard of some DDOS attack, nobody died as a result, only a website or two and you can't even call that a dying website as sooner or later that website would be back online alive and kicking, in fact if all wars were cyber wars, your wish of not seeing people die would come true.



SpokenTruth said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

As in people would not be getting killed like ALL THE TIME and EVERYWHERE if that general had not been murdered?

As in humanity has been at peace and loving each other for all of its history and now that this general was murdered thing will change?

If you don't want to see humans kill other humans over bruised egos, I'd say the best advice is to not be a human at all. Yeah I know, I made the same mistake too, I was born and I'm human too. Being born, obviously my biggest mistake...

As for cyber attacks, that's ok. Last time I've heard of some DDOS attack, nobody died as a result, only a website or two and you can't even call that a dying website as sooner or later that website would be back online alive and kicking, in fact if all wars were cyber wars, your wish of not seeing people die would come true.

Your facetiousness isn't helping you. 

Do you understand escalation? 

And, no I'm not talking about simple DDoS attacks on a dying web site. If that's your understanding of cyber warfare, you are not paying attention. Imagine having the power grid shut down.  Or a nuclear power plant's thermal safety features being turned off.  Or patient medical records getting wiped. DDoS attacks are child's play.  We do that to each other at work.

If Americans (and others too) are dumb enough to put super sensitive systems like nuclear power plants' thermal safety features accessible online, then maybe they are too dumb to even be in charge.

Same with people's medical records, if hospitals are so dumb that they can't think about keeping OFFLINE backups, then again they are asking for trouble.

And I do understand escalation, but you don't seem to understand human nature. This general's death is just a pretext for escalation, humans will find any excuse to make war, to kill, to take power etc. They don't need the death of some general to start conflicts of all kinds.

And I don't mean my facetiousness as some kind of argument to help me, by it I only mean to say "I don't care about humans enough to be involved in a serious way in their endeavors".