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Random_Matt said:
Xbox buyers who say they have a PC do not have a PC.

That’s quite a bold statement to make. Lol

Mr Puggsly said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Why should I as Xbox console owner even care about how many copies does Halo 10 and Gears 15 sell? The only thing I care about is from MS to provide a great gamin experience through their console and services. I'm way more interested in Xbox being an appealing platform for third party developers, so they will be bringing lots of great games to the platform. XGS games should be like an icing on cake. Additional reason to choose Xbox over PS, but no the main one. Because I doubt that any sane person would choose a certain console just because it has games from one certain publishers with everything else being more inferior compared to competition. Also, XGS hasn't really released that many interesting games, worth playing in the past 3 years, making it hardly to be the reason to choose Xbox over PS. I'm personally not interested in Sony exclusive games as well, but it is hard to deny that almost every game Sony released in the same time frame was a more quality product than every XGS game except maybe Gears and Forza. I personally prefer Xbox over PS just because in my opinion it provides a better console experience, not because it has Microsoft games. And I think if you ask any of 46m Xbox One owners the same question - why they prefer xbox over PS, the majority of these people will answer the same way that I did - not because XGS games are better or more interesting than what Sony offers, but because these people believe that Xbox provides a better experience to play games. Everything in your logic shows that you seem to fail to understand the huge difference between a publisher and a platform holder. Microsoft is not just a publisher, they are a platform holder and they have a certain obligations for their userbase. It's not just about selling games. If selling games is all that matters - then why don't just bring them to Playstation as well? It will boost sales for sure.

Oh lordy, I am not saying sales matter to consumers per se. I am saying more consumers will have access to their games via PC. Which is notable when we talk about regions where PC gaming is more common than consoles.

However, Xbox users do benefit from increased engagement and sales of 1st party games. More revenue could be more money put into games. Also games become less risky with PC revenue added. Do I need to elaborate on everything?

I agree MS needs to step up their 1st party output, more titles in general. Maybe the new studio purchases have something to do with that? In less than a year though we may get a quality Halo game. I also got my eye on Gears tactics and the Ori sequel.

Maybe MS have some interesting announcments at E3. Because obviously software is coming from recently purchased studios. Which is needed to hype Xbox and Game Pass.

If MS isnt selling games or failing to get people on Game Pass, that would suggest people really hate their software. Even with the general consensus of MS needing to step up 1st party efforts, they arent doing bad with user engagement.

Well, once again your post is filled with the belief that Xbox owners should care about first party games for some reason? What good it will make for me if some people will be able to play Microsoft’s game on PC? Why it should even be a something that I need to care about as Xbox user? Give me proper third party support and improve gaming experience on a platform that I want to invest in? Why should I even care about their first party? It’s like less than 5% of the games available on the system. 



 

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Random_Matt said:
Xbox buyers who say they have a PC do not have a PC.

Huh, this isn't a gaming PC I built that I am typing this on? Well shucks. Am I back on heroin and have stumbled into a strangers house?



derpysquirtle64 said:
Random_Matt said:
Xbox buyers who say they have a PC do not have a PC.

That’s quite a bold statement to make. Lol

Mr Puggsly said:

Oh lordy, I am not saying sales matter to consumers per se. I am saying more consumers will have access to their games via PC. Which is notable when we talk about regions where PC gaming is more common than consoles.

However, Xbox users do benefit from increased engagement and sales of 1st party games. More revenue could be more money put into games. Also games become less risky with PC revenue added. Do I need to elaborate on everything?

I agree MS needs to step up their 1st party output, more titles in general. Maybe the new studio purchases have something to do with that? In less than a year though we may get a quality Halo game. I also got my eye on Gears tactics and the Ori sequel.

Maybe MS have some interesting announcments at E3. Because obviously software is coming from recently purchased studios. Which is needed to hype Xbox and Game Pass.

If MS isnt selling games or failing to get people on Game Pass, that would suggest people really hate their software. Even with the general consensus of MS needing to step up 1st party efforts, they arent doing bad with user engagement.

Well, once again your post is filled with the belief that Xbox owners should care about first party games for some reason? What good it will make for me if some people will be able to play Microsoft’s game on PC? Why it should even be a something that I need to care about as Xbox user? Give me proper third party support and improve gaming experience on a platform that I want to invest in? Why should I even care about their first party? It’s like less than 5% of the games available on the system. 

I am getting the impression you're acting dumb to extend the argument.

The general consensus is MS needs to step up 1st party. They are clearly addressing that. The added PC support will benefit that via increased revenue and more variety.

MS isnt just Xbox consoles, its also a company that has a popular PC OS. Unsurprisingly they want to make Xbox compliment Windows and its Store,  it's long overdue in my opinion. It will also mean more people around the world will play Xbox content. Hence, encourages more spending on content and we get more content. Some content is happening due to PC popularity.

Are you suggesting MS isn't concerned with 3rd party content? They get most content on other platforms and just acquired significant content I wasnt expecting. Several Yakuza games, the Kingdom Hearts trilogy and numerous Final Fantasy games.

1st party content accounts for less 5% of the total the toatal library, but it can be notable games that helps hype hardware. It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy.

I am not sure what you even want. It seems like MS is trying to appeal to gamers in various ways people have requested. Maybe you just want to bitch?

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DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think you misunderstand. 3rd parties dont support Playstation because a good relationship per se. Its also about viability.

Japanese gamers keep buying Playstation consoles because they expect good support. Wii U didnt get great support in Japan because it flopped in general.

However, Switch has sold great so many developers are jumping ship and making something of a prioirty. It didnt happen because a relationship went sour, it just makes sense for them to support Switch.

Now is Sony gonna moneyhat a bunch of Japanese games to fight off Switch? I doubt it but maybe. Is Sony gonna make a bunch of games geared towards Japan? Lol, fuck no! Hence, Sony will mostly hope for the best and I think thats fine.

I never suggested Sony should consider closing Polyphany. In fact, I was confused by the closure of Evolution Sudios given Driveclub sold well and they could get a game out faster than Polyphany.

Are we absolutely certain GTS sold better than any Forza game? I think they only announced player numbers. Individual Forza Horizon games were boasting higher player numbers than GTS, so we can only speculate.

More importantly, Forza had six releases this gen and each did good or great. That would mean Forza likely brought in significantly more revenue. Semi annual releases is also good for a service like Game Pass.

From all we know GTS sold about 6M units so it is higher than FM from what I know. And I'm not comparing to FH (which may have one edition outselling GTS, but we don't really have official numbers for that). This gen FM may have profited more than GTS, but last gen certainly not GT5P sold 5M, GT5 sold 12M and GT6 sold 6M (rounding from memory) that is 23M sales on basically 1,5 game (Prologue used the assets that were being prepared for GT5 and GT6 expanded a little but used most assets from GT5 as well). And sure GTS also received a lot of the assets from GT5 because at that time PD was already making models in anticipation for this gen.

We have had a lot of reports on this site about the confidence of Japanese devs on Playstation (like you see Persona exclusively on PS5, Yakuza was as well for basically the whole gen), devs saying PS4 was reviving the life of console gaming over there, several japanese developed games that made success outside of Japan and were temporary exclusive without any paying from Sony. That I can very much assure isn't Sony just hoping for the best. You don't keep yourself at the top only hoping for the best. Or MS strategy was hoping for the worst and that is why they keep being behind?

Are we certain GTS is at 6 million sales? Maybe it is. As a user of both platforms, GTS hit $20 faster than Forza games generally do as well.

You dont need to feed me all the sales data of GT. I simply pointed out Forza did significantly better this gen because of more frequent releases and the success of Forza Horizon. We agree.

I was not aware GTS had GT5 assets. That just makes it more surprising it took almost a generation to develop.

Persona had side games on Nintendo portables I believe. Persona 5 is the first mainline game moving to another platform outside of Sony, but I could be wrong.

There were some old Yakuza games on Wii U. Newer Yakuza games were already coming to PC, but Xbox support was surprising. Coming to Game Pass is a bonus as well.

Yakuza was a series that stayed exclusive to Japan for a period, maybe even years for some titles. So it made sense to keep it on Playstation while Nintendo platforms were generally too weak for proper ports.

Hasn't PS4 sold less than PS3 in Japan? I fail to see how PS4 is reviving console gaming there. It has seemingly declined, meanwhile Switch took Japan easily.

Is Sony making content or big deals to combat Switch in Japan? Nope. Seems to me they are just hoping for the best... or maybe they dont really care about that market. Both can be true at the same time.

I am not sure why you took at jab at MS, I am just looking at the facts we have.



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Mr Puggsly said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

That’s quite a bold statement to make. Lol

Well, once again your post is filled with the belief that Xbox owners should care about first party games for some reason? What good it will make for me if some people will be able to play Microsoft’s game on PC? Why it should even be a something that I need to care about as Xbox user? Give me proper third party support and improve gaming experience on a platform that I want to invest in? Why should I even care about their first party? It’s like less than 5% of the games available on the system. 

I am getting the impression you're acting dumb to extend the argument.

The general consensus is MS needs to step up 1st party. They are clearly addressing that. The added PC support will benefit that via increased revenue and more variety.

MS isnt just Xbox consoles, its also a company that has a popular PC OS. Unsurprisingly they want to make Xbox compliment Windows and its Store,  it's long overdue in my opinion. It will also mean more people around the world will play Xbox content. Hence, encourages more spending on content and we get more content. Some content is happening due to PC popularity.

Are you suggesting MS isn't concerned with 3rd party content? They get most content on other platforms and just acquired significant content I wasnt expecting. Several Yakuza games, the Kingdom Hearts trilogy and numerous Final Fantasy games.

1st party content accounts for less 5% of the total the toatal library, but it can be notable games that helps hype hardware. It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy.

I am not sure what you even want. It seems like MS is trying to appeal to gamers in various ways people have requested. Maybe you just want to bitch?

It seems to be the other way around tbh. You keep replying to me with the same thing over and over again completely ignoring every argument I provided to back my point. If you have already forgotten, my initial point was that currently the biggest obstacle for Microsoft is not thinking about international appeal of Xbox hardware, services, etc. In response you've brought up the same point you keep repeating over and over again: "The general consensus is MS needs to step up 1st party". This one. Well, don't want to disappoint you, it's actually might be the general consensus, but only on gaming forums. If MS fixes their first party delivering, it won't suddenly turn Xbox in a way more popular brand. On this one - "It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy.It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy", I've provided you a great example, where Microsoft decided to pull the plug on GamePass in making access to GamePass in Russia uneasy. So how will they push the service when they do something like this? Doesn't matter how many games will they have in the service 1 or 100, if people can't gain access to it just because they don't live in the US and Microsoft doesn't want to support other countries? And well, the last one. Something that kinda sums up everything I've said in my other posts. I will use a personal example to make it easier for you to understand. I live in Russia, I prefer to play on Xbox console, I spent around 80-90% of my gaming time on Xbox console. I'm not interested in PC gaming at all and almost everything that XGS released in the past two-three years doesn't really suit my gaming tastes. So, why should I care about MS being able to sell these XGS games to more people if it doesn't benefit me at all and comes at the expense of my experience with the platform that I like. While I can't claim for sure that this is something that is connected in any way, it's the exact same point that you keep bringing up. That I should somehow not care about my experience getting worse as long as MS sells more XGS games. I swear, there are a lot of Xbox gamers from not US/UK out there even on the internet who will totally agree with this one. P.S. I think that it would probably better to stop on this one. I've checked your profile and considering that you are from US, I doubt you will ever understand anything that I say. Because, first of all, you seem to enjoy every XGS game, second - you are treated like a first class citizen by MS, so it's hard for you to understand about the problems that Xbox brand has outside US/UK. You are basically living in the bubble where Xbox really competes with Playstation equally.



 

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derpysquirtle64 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I am getting the impression you're acting dumb to extend the argument.

The general consensus is MS needs to step up 1st party. They are clearly addressing that. The added PC support will benefit that via increased revenue and more variety.

MS isnt just Xbox consoles, its also a company that has a popular PC OS. Unsurprisingly they want to make Xbox compliment Windows and its Store,  it's long overdue in my opinion. It will also mean more people around the world will play Xbox content. Hence, encourages more spending on content and we get more content. Some content is happening due to PC popularity.

Are you suggesting MS isn't concerned with 3rd party content? They get most content on other platforms and just acquired significant content I wasnt expecting. Several Yakuza games, the Kingdom Hearts trilogy and numerous Final Fantasy games.

1st party content accounts for less 5% of the total the toatal library, but it can be notable games that helps hype hardware. It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy.

I am not sure what you even want. It seems like MS is trying to appeal to gamers in various ways people have requested. Maybe you just want to bitch?

It seems to be the other way around tbh. You keep replying to me with the same thing over and over again completely ignoring every argument I provided to back my point. If you have already forgotten, my initial point was that currently the biggest obstacle for Microsoft is not thinking about international appeal of Xbox hardware, services, etc. In response you've brought up the same point you keep repeating over and over again: "The general consensus is MS needs to step up 1st party". This one. Well, don't want to disappoint you, it's actually might be the general consensus, but only on gaming forums. If MS fixes their first party delivering, it won't suddenly turn Xbox in a way more popular brand. On this one - "It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy.It's also necessary to push a service Game Pass which people seem to enjoy", I've provided you a great example, where Microsoft decided to pull the plug on GamePass in making access to GamePass in Russia uneasy. So how will they push the service when they do something like this? Doesn't matter how many games will they have in the service 1 or 100, if people can't gain access to it just because they don't live in the US and Microsoft doesn't want to support other countries? And well, the last one. Something that kinda sums up everything I've said in my other posts. I will use a personal example to make it easier for you to understand. I live in Russia, I prefer to play on Xbox console, I spent around 80-90% of my gaming time on Xbox console. I'm not interested in PC gaming at all and almost everything that XGS released in the past two-three years doesn't really suit my gaming tastes. So, why should I care about MS being able to sell these XGS games to more people if it doesn't benefit me at all and comes at the expense of my experience with the platform that I like. While I can't claim for sure that this is something that is connected in any way, it's the exact same point that you keep bringing up. That I should somehow not care about my experience getting worse as long as MS sells more XGS games. I swear, there are a lot of Xbox gamers from not US/UK out there even on the internet who will totally agree with this one. P.S. I think that it would probably better to stop on this one. I've checked your profile and considering that you are from US, I doubt you will ever understand anything that I say. Because, first of all, you seem to enjoy every XGS game, second - you are treated like a first class citizen by MS, so it's hard for you to understand about the problems that Xbox brand has outside US/UK. You are basically living in the bubble where Xbox really competes with Playstation equally.

After I read you essentially say exclusives aren't important, I stopped reading.

Lets just move on. I just find your opinions not worth reading.



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Just thought Xbox may not have a separate chip for Ray tracing, will take a chunk out of 12TF.



Random_Matt said:
Just thought Xbox may not have a separate chip for Ray tracing, will take a chunk out of 12TF.

A separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do. I know this idea came up in other forums for no reasons or explanations given, but it is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

Let me just finish this topic by stating that a separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do.



drkohler said:
Random_Matt said:
Just thought Xbox may not have a separate chip for Ray tracing, will take a chunk out of 12TF.

A separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do. I know this idea came up in other forums for no reasons or explanations given, but it is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

Let me just finish this topic by stating that a separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

MS and Sony are dumb. We will see what happens.



Random_Matt said:
Xbox buyers who say they have a PC do not have a PC.

Bullshit. I know already some PC Players who own a PS4 or XBO without any or only 1-2 console exclusives. 

Not everyone wants to use his gaming PC from whatever room to play as example some FIFA with friends in the living room

I will probably buy Lockhart for my bedroom even though I already play on a PC with a 2070 Super, 512GB NVMe, 32GB Ram snd so on. Not the strongest PC but already pretty good and fine for next gen I guess (I only need 1440p on my PC)