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zorg1000 on 27 December 2019
Slownenberg said:
zorg1000 said:

Even if Switch 2 isnt able to get much of the AAA PS5/XSX games it will be able to get ports of a ton of the PS4/XBO games that skipped Switch 1.

Yeah true. Rather than seeing a bunch of Wii U to Switch ports, we'll probably be seeing a bunch of PS4/XBO to Switch 2 ports. Switch 2 should be able to run those games with zero compromises.

I was thinking more like a natural progression of all the PS3/360 ports Swotch gets.



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Wyrdness on 27 December 2019
Slownenberg said:
I think a Pro model will release in 2021. But it'll just be a different version of the same system, like the Lite. It isn't gonna run different games, that would be stupid. It'll just run the current games with better resolution or better fps. I could totally see them dropping the Lite and OG Switch to like $180 and $240 or something and then coming out with the Pro at $300 so they maintain that higher price point for people who are willing to pay a premium to get the best version (and because there are always a certain amount of nintendo fans who will double dip on the same system to get the different versions).

The's no point for that the Lite was not just to be a cheaper version it was to open the Switch up to something handhelds have had over consoles for decades and that's being more than one per household this is why a portable only version was made as more than one person in the house can be on a Switch which is especially important for families with kids or households with more than one person who games in general.

A pro version in 2021 offers no such benefits it does not open any new strategy for Nintendo nor are the people who pay premium prices the people Nintendo were aiming for to begin with that crowd wouldn't be interested in a Switch Pro if they don't already have one as the platform was never about what they're looking for.



Nu-13 on 28 December 2019
zorg1000 said:
Slownenberg said:

Yeah agreed. Expect Switch 2 in 2023, Nintendo isn't gonna try to kill off loads of free profit by releasing a new system well before Switch is ready to go. AAA support is on Switch is essentially nonexistent except a handful of like 4 to 8 year old games. So Switch won't be losing any AAA support from the new consoles.  A-AA support will continue because of Switch's massive install base and generally those games don't use the most amazing graphics currently possible.

Also, it wouldn't make sense to make a 2021 Switch 2 to garner 3rd party support from PS5/XboxSeries games because a Switch that releases in 2021 wouldn't be strong enough to even handle downgraded ports from those systems. A 2023 Switch just might be able to handle decent graphically downgraded versions of games that come out on systems that came out 3 years prior.

I think a good strategy for the next gen for Nintendo is to bring a system that has enough power to do a good job of handling downgraded version of PS5/XboxSeries games so that 3rd parties could port over new games to the Switch simply by making reasonable compromises. With all the money they'll make off this gen, they could possibly put out a system at that power level, sell it at a small loss at the start instead of a small profit in order to still make it affordable, pick up way more AAA 3rd party support, and continue the success of the Switch. Then again maybe they like the fact that first party sales dominate their system haha.

Even if Switch 2 isnt able to get much of the AAA PS5/XSX games it will be able to get ports of a ton of the PS4/XBO games that skipped Switch 1.

I don't see an if in that scenario. The switch already shows what it can do and the gap is gonna be even smaller for the 10th gen.



zorg1000 on 28 December 2019
Nu-13 said:
zorg1000 said:

Even if Switch 2 isnt able to get much of the AAA PS5/XSX games it will be able to get ports of a ton of the PS4/XBO games that skipped Switch 1.

I don't see an if in that scenario. The switch already shows what it can do and the gap is gonna be even smaller for the 10th gen.

Let me rephrase, even if 3rd parties choose not to bring AAA PS5/XSX games to NSW2, they will release a ton of PS4/XBO ports.



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sethnintendo on 28 December 2019

So your saying sales will slow to a trickle and they will go PC.



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HoangNhatAnh on 28 December 2019
Shiken said:
RolStoppable said:
This reads like the typical stupidity that a more powerful Switch is needed - an idea that falls flat on its face because third parties won't exclusively target the more powerful Switch iteration due to its much lower installed base.

Nintendo is going to stick with the hybrid idea, but when the next generation comes, it will be a clear distinction from Switch and not a destination that was reached by doing multiple incremental steps inbetween.

Never said it was ever needed, just something I could see them doing.  Nintendo was the first of the big three to introduce a mid gen refresh however after all with the NEW 3DS, which also had a few games exclusive to it that could not run on the base 3DS.  There is literally no reason to believe that they would not expand on that idea.

Furthermore, by your logic, if devs would not release a game that could only run on the new model if it needed the extra juice then every PS5 and XSX game would also run on a base X1.  You and I both know that will not be the case however.

It would be no different than those specific games being treated as a new console generation, which kind of debunks the entire premise that they would ignore it based on install base alone.

GB - GBC, DS - DSi, you are welcome



HoangNhatAnh on 28 December 2019
RolStoppable said:
Shiken said:

Never said it was ever needed, just something I could see them doing.  Nintendo was the first of the big three to introduce a mid gen refresh however after all with the NEW 3DS, which also had a few games exclusive to it that could not run on the base 3DS.  There is literally no reason to believe that they would not expand on that idea.

Furthermore, by your logic, if devs would not release a game that could only run on the new model if it needed the extra juice then every PS5 and XSX game would also run on a base X1.  You and I both know that will not be the case however.

It would be no different than those specific games being treated as a new console generation, which kind of debunks the entire premise that they would ignore it based on install base alone.

The Game Boy and DS also had mid-gen refreshes. If you look at those three mid-gen refreshes done by Nintendo (GB Color, DSi and New 3DS), you'll notice that the number of games that didn't run on the original iteration of each console got smaller from generation to generation. Given that the only 3DS games that didn't run on the base 3DS were first party titles, it makes your justification for your idea very weak.

I've read your second and third paragraph four times, but I still can't make any sense out of them.

Yeah if you didn't count some eshop games



vivster on 28 December 2019
super_etecoon said:
vivster said:
I wish they would drop the name and choose something better for their next generation.

I probably have never disagreed more with a post in all my time here.

Then you haven't read a lot of my posts.



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Slownenberg on 28 December 2019
Wyrdness said:
Slownenberg said:
I think a Pro model will release in 2021. But it'll just be a different version of the same system, like the Lite. It isn't gonna run different games, that would be stupid. It'll just run the current games with better resolution or better fps. I could totally see them dropping the Lite and OG Switch to like $180 and $240 or something and then coming out with the Pro at $300 so they maintain that higher price point for people who are willing to pay a premium to get the best version (and because there are always a certain amount of nintendo fans who will double dip on the same system to get the different versions).

The's no point for that the Lite was not just to be a cheaper version it was to open the Switch up to something handhelds have had over consoles for decades and that's being more than one per household this is why a portable only version was made as more than one person in the house can be on a Switch which is especially important for families with kids or households with more than one person who games in general.

A pro version in 2021 offers no such benefits it does not open any new strategy for Nintendo nor are the people who pay premium prices the people Nintendo were aiming for to begin with that crowd wouldn't be interested in a Switch Pro if they don't already have one as the platform was never about what they're looking for.

Well your argument clearly has not played out through sales history. Your argument is saying Xbox One X shouldn't have been made, PS4 Pro shouldn't have been made, Game Boy Color shouldn't have been made, the upgrades to the 3DS shouldn't have been made, etc. Upgrades to systems to provide a little better performance have been done plenty and are continuing to be done. So why would it not make sense on the Switch? As it has done on all these other systems, it offers a premium play experience for the system, and in the case of a portable, as I said, some nintendo fans like to get every version of portables as well. Having the Lite in now way does anything to make there be no point in having a premium version of the Switch. The Lite is the exact opposite of that, its the cheap version of the Switch. If you had actual history to back you up then you could make your point, like if the 3DS XL and New 3DS or whatever premium versions they had bombed then you could make your point, but the New 3DS actually became the main version of the 3DS, so history proves the exact opposite of your argument.



Shiken on 28 December 2019
HoangNhatAnh said:
Shiken said:

Never said it was ever needed, just something I could see them doing.  Nintendo was the first of the big three to introduce a mid gen refresh however after all with the NEW 3DS, which also had a few games exclusive to it that could not run on the base 3DS.  There is literally no reason to believe that they would not expand on that idea.

Furthermore, by your logic, if devs would not release a game that could only run on the new model if it needed the extra juice then every PS5 and XSX game would also run on a base X1.  You and I both know that will not be the case however.

It would be no different than those specific games being treated as a new console generation, which kind of debunks the entire premise that they would ignore it based on install base alone.

GB - GBC, DS - DSi, you are welcome

Those are also not at all the same.  It ran games exactly the same but was either smaller form factor or added color.

The NEW 3DS has games that cannot be run on the 3DS like Xenoblade 3D and all SNES classics.  It also boosts the performance a good bit for more demanding games.  Hyrule Warriors for example ran at a solid 30 fps on the NEW 3DS while the base 3DS XL chugged at around 20 fps.  A far cry from what any of those you mentioned were.

A new SKU =/= an entirely new device with different specs and performance.  There is a lot more that goes into it than that.



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