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As for a ranking I'd go:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
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5. The Force Awakens
6. Rise of Skywalker
7. The Last Jedi
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. Solo
10. Phantom Menage
11. Attack of the Clones

Anything above the line are movies I truly love and would rewatch anytime.

I enjoyed Rise of Skywalker but it does take a ton of shortcuts and feels a bit too fanservice-y but I forgive its flaws in part because of the terrible job The Last Jedi did of setting up a finale.

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xMetroid said:
DarthJarvis said:
9. Finn has something extremely important to tell Rey that it's a matter of life or death... then completely drops it and when its brought up again its secretive. I figured it was that he was force sensitive too but if that's the case BFD... why make it cause issues with one of your friends and keep it a secret?

I think it's just that he loves her.. that's why he wouldn't tell Poe

And ignore Rose? Star Wars isnt that edgy 



DarthJarvis said:
I enjoyed the movie.... however, in the grand scheme of things it was absolute garbage.


1. They made Palpatine the chosen one.
2. Force healing was absolutely garbage. Makes Anakins dive into darkness completely stupid.
3. It wasn't a Skywalker saga. It was a Palpatine saga.
4. If Palpatine needed a blood heir why kill his son?
5. If Leia senses what Ben will be and tells Luke... then why train ben to be strong and why would luke give him a reason to turn?
6. There was something else and I'll remember it.

Maybe I can refresh your memory with some additional questions that I have for the filmmakers not mentioned already in the OP:

-Why did the villains need to spend so much time and effort building one Starkiller before when it now turns out that Palpatine can just conveniently conjure whole fleets of them out of his ass?

-Speaking of Palpatine, why again is he glued to a wall for the whole movie? I forgot.

-Why the did the villains want to interrogate Chewbacca; how productive could that possibly be?

And I could go on. So...many...questions! This was just a bizarre movie to me that often seemed highly arbitrary (and frankly retarded) in a way that earlier installments of this trilogy really weren't.



I feel like the people here blaming RoS's failures on TLJ are frankly trying to justify the fact that the actual reason RoS sucks is because it very obviously panders to their demands for this trilogy instead of following through on the direction established in TLJ.  #StarWarsFans type people simply don't want to own their own role in ruining this trilogy for most everyone, including me.

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Hiku said:

I don't dislike your posts. In fact I like reading them. And I have another one of your threads bookmarked to read for later.

I've never edited one of your thread titles before, nor am I aware if anyone has. But I did this time. Though I didn't change anything you had already written. It's still there. I only added the "Star Wars Epi 9 Spoilers" part, because it's a thread that focuses on discussing plot points from the film, so it should be clear in the thread title. You can alter it to something else if you want. As long as it makes people aware that you'll be discussing spoilers.

Only got a few minutes left tonight, so I'll just focus on this part.

It was altered twice in the last 24 hours. Once to eliminate the word "Bullshit", which I guess is understandable, and a second time in the way you described. It's no biggie, but this type of thing happens to a large percentage of my threads (which is often a prelude to their closure) and I don't start that many. It is getting to feel like I can't hardly participate on any thread without somebody at least trying to have me moderated in some way. I mean I guess I can be provocative a little, but I'm mostly just sarcastic and trying to be funny a lot of the time because I've found that sometimes it gets a positive response from people both online and not and not much else I do does. I'm not actually all that malign a person deep down, I'm just a weird loser who tries to be clever because relatable is something I seem unable to be.

EDIT: Also, you denied me a proper context to respond with "Is it possible to learn this power?", so I fault you for that too.

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Jaicee said:

I feel like the people here blaming RoS's failures on TLJ are frankly trying to justify the fact that the actual reason RoS sucks is because it very obviously panders to their demands for this trilogy instead of following through on the direction established in TLJ.  #StarWarsFans type people simply don't want to own their own role in ruining this trilogy for most everyone, including me.

They could have done both. Pleased the fans and gone in New directions. All we can do is enjoy the product they give us as best we can. TLJ was probably the most important film in the trilogy. It should have been the "meat" of the story. Where the characters developed and the true stakes were raised. Unfortunately, in my opinion, that movie felt like it ended right where it began--with the rebellion running for their lives. 

I don't blame that movie, though. I blame the studio for making a trilogy that (in many of our unprofessional opinions) just seemed to have absolutely no direction or need to exist. It was just "More Star Wars". TLJ may have taken risks... maybe. Or it was just a copy/paste of Empire only not done as well. In any case, if RoS had to wrap up a story, the writers were written into a corner.

They needed to create a new main villain, explain Rey's past, defeat Kylo and the First Order, etc. There were only so many places that the story could go. 



Jaicee said:

I feel like the people here blaming RoS's failures on TLJ are frankly trying to justify the fact that the actual reason RoS sucks is because it very obviously panders to their demands for this trilogy instead of following through on the direction established in TLJ.  #StarWarsFans type people simply don't want to own their own role in ruining this trilogy for most everyone, including me.

This is a bit odd of a statement for a number of reasons - for one I think it's pretty clear Rian Johnson ruined the trilogy if anything. Two - you do like Last Jedi correct? So that would now make you a #StarWarsFan. What is the differential between you, a Star Wars fan, and those "other" Star Wars fans who "ruined" the trilogy? And given many of the reviews I've seen it clearly wasn't ruined for a great many, so that's a more-or-less subjective idea.

I get the opposition in being against obvious, desperate "fan service," and share some of that sentiment myself. But ultimately Disney is going to go in the direction that they think will get them the most success. At the end of the day, money talks and bullshit walks. And I think it makes more sense for Disney to make a film that more resembles the old ones. After all, these are Star Wars films. If Rian Johnson wanted to make some weird new dark, edge, avant-garde sci-fi themed film, I think he should have just developed his own film/franchise, rather than roll with the Star Wars name and turn it into something that resembles the franchise in name only. He may have done better in that role - and really when you boil it down Last Jedi had PLENTY of fan service itself anyway, between the odd Yoda showing & the final scene which looked and felt exactly like the Empire opening scene..

The Luke Skywalker in that film was simply not Luke Skywalker. I think this was a large part of the backlash. A character is more than a name and an actor. People identify with a character because of, well, their character. And with the new Luke, there was virtually nothing that tied him to the old (well really the "young") Luke. When fans see "Star Wars" they expect a certain type of film & w/certain traits. Last Jedi had very few of those. It's largely the same reason Phantom Menace was panned by fans. If you stray too far from the Star Wars traits, it ceases to really be Star Wars, and becomes just another paint-by-numbers sci-fi or superhero film of which there are a million of those out there already. 

Ultimately, I just don't quite get what fans of the Last Jedi were expecting with this film - given how things were set up. It almost felt like the end of that film was setting things up for an onging Saturday morning cartoon but not the climactic, dramatic 2nd part of a space fantasy trilogy.

Perhaps it's a lack of creativity on my part, but I truly don't see any plot for RoS that could have transpired that could have really made this film interesting, after killing off Luke, Han, Snoke, Kylo reverting back to his evil mustache-twirling self, and establishing that "ehh Rey is just some chick, no heritage of significance, limited motivation (or personality for that matter), nothing. Oh - and everyone and anyone can use the Force and be a super powerful Jedi!" The weird and ambiguous new laws of the Force established, the lack of cliffhangers, of personal narratives or world-building, continuity issues, killing off of many of the interesting characters, etc - basically meant that Abrams was set up to fail, especially given he was to wrap up this entire trilogy in around 2 hours. 



 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden

As soon as I read the OP's first paragraph? I knew we would be the absolute opposite on this film. IMO, TLJ was basically a disjointed 24hr car chase in space, all because Poe stuffed up destroying a dreadnought and loosing all those bombers. The whole angsty thing between Poe and the Admiral was just pointless soap opera drama with no benefit to the narrative. TLJ showed how much RJ does not know Star Wars. But, the cinematography was good. But again, Rey's parents - answer? Nothing to see here.

JJ did what he could with TRoS and saved the whole thing from disaster. See - I told you I would be the opposite. Rey's grand parent - everything to see here. Luke? An orphan with loving foster parents who resists the darkside leading to his father's last moment redemption. Rey? An orphan who had trauma of her parents being executed, living the life of a scavenger, and dealing with the anger that comes from this, leading to the redemption of Kylo, and then adopting the name of Skywalker that obviously means metaphorically to her, at least, redemption. JJ made that happen, not RJ. RF threw Rey under the bus. JJ made her the best female/male hero in the whole canon.



DarthJarvis said:
9. Finn has something extremely important to tell Rey that it's a matter of life or death... then completely drops it and when its brought up again its secretive. I figured it was that he was force sensitive too but if that's the case BFD... why make it cause issues with one of your friends and keep it a secret?

Since TFA it was obvious that Finn was infatuated with Rey so Finn in TROS was just ashamed of telling Rey and almost got the courage when they were about to die. Don't be surprised if you see future stories talking about Rey and her children with Finn.

I read your other post and yes, Finn turns down Rose, it is obvious Finn ignores Rose the same way TROS ignores her.

I won't defend this movie much because this sequel trilogy is not worth it.

Machiavellian said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
I knew this movie was destined to be a mess after I saw The Last Jedi.

Which means you already tarnished yourself in taking the movie as it is and enjoying what it does.  If your thought process is already negative, then most time it would take a lot to change a person already predisposed opinion.

Nonsense. I had a feeling Hustlers was going to be an overrated movie due to how it looked and how it was discussed by shills and it turned out to be a pretty good movie. This happens to me with some movies, I am always opened to be wrong.

I was expecting that TROS would be a mess because the people behind TLJ didn't care for the movie that came before it, TFA, and didn't care for the movie that would come next TROS. So TROS had to tag on a bigger villain (Sidious), with no set up, because there was no villain worth fighting against after the TLJ and TROS had to show Jedi training when Johnson completely and absolutely failed to show the importance of Jedi training, not to mention the death of Carrie Fisher but then you can't blame that one on anyone.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
DarthJarvis said:
9. Finn has something extremely important to tell Rey that it's a matter of life or death... then completely drops it and when its brought up again its secretive. I figured it was that he was force sensitive too but if that's the case BFD... why make it cause issues with one of your friends and keep it a secret?

Since TFA it was obvious that Finn was infatuated with Rey so Finn in TROS was just ashamed of telling Rey and almost got the courage when they were about to die. Don't be surprised if you see future stories talking about Rey and her children with Finn.

I read your other post and yes, Finn turns down Rose, it is obvious Finn ignores Rose the same way TROS ignores her.

I won't defend this movie much because this sequel trilogy is not worth it.

Machiavellian said:

Which means you already tarnished yourself in taking the movie as it is and enjoying what it does.  If your thought process is already negative, then most time it would take a lot to change a person already predisposed opinion.

Nonsense. I had a feeling Hustlers was going to be an overrated movie due to how it looked and how it was discussed by shills and it turned out to be a pretty good movie. This happens to me with some movies, I am always opened to be wrong.

I was expecting that TROS would be a mess because the people behind TLJ didn't care for the movie that came before it, TFA, and didn't care for the movie that would come next TROS. So TROS had to tag on a bigger villain (Sidious), with no set up, because there was no villain worth fighting against after the TLJ and TROS had to show Jedi training when Johnson completely and absolutely failed to show the importance of Jedi training, not to mention the death of Carrie Fisher but then you can't blame that one on anyone.

Yes, you have one incident where your opinion changed.  How often is that then not having an opinion at all until you actually watch the movie.  If you go into anything already thinking negative thoughts any little thing thats negative sticks to you and the more you may experience the least bit of chance your opinion change.  I am not trying to question your opinion of why you like or dislike ROS, because its your opinion, I am just saying already making up your mind something will be bad then having it change is far more difficult then not having any opinion and then forming one after you experience the content.