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DarthJarvis said:
starcraft said:

Can't comment on the user in question, but there are definitely plenty of people like this on VGC, nevermind the wider internet.

Its essentially anything (they perceive is bad) is because 'zomg stoopid Disney marysue SJW wankers' and anything (they're forced to acknowledge as) good is just a hangover from the awesomeness of the pre-Disney days. Generally, these people are not actually fans of Star Wars, but are pushing an agenda entirely separate to this great, but entirely fictional franchise.

Deep breath, move on, talk to people who are reasonable instead.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.



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starcraft said:
DarthJarvis said:

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

When you only have hyperbole to argue your point, you have already lost the debate.



When you only have hyperbole to argue your point, you have already lost the debate.

I assume you were speaking to the guy above me, who in no way attempted to engage with my point and threw out an exaggerated film quote (from a film, incidentally, that you hate ).



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starcraft said:

When you only have hyperbole to argue your point, you have already lost the debate.

I assume you were speaking to the guy above me, who in no way attempted to engage with my point and threw out an exaggerated film quote (from a film, incidentally, that you hate ).

When your point is basically "anyone who doesn't like the sequel trilogy is unreasonable and not a real fan!" I can't say I'm surprised you didn't get a serious response.

But hey I'll give you one. Who on VGC are you talking about exactly and what agenda are they pushing? I, too, have been on this site and seen and participated in SW discussions, but I've only seen people dislike the sequel trilogy because the movies themselves suck, politics are generally first brought up by the defenders. But hey, I haven't seen every post in every thread, so maybe there's some I'm missing that could back up what you're saying.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
starcraft said:

When you only have hyperbole to argue your point, you have already lost the debate.

I assume you were speaking to the guy above me, who in no way attempted to engage with my point and threw out an exaggerated film quote (from a film, incidentally, that you hate ).

When your point is basically "anyone who doesn't like the sequel trilogy is unreasonable and not a real fan!" I can't say I'm surprised you didn't get a serious response.

But hey I'll give you one. Who on VGC are you talking about exactly and what agenda are they pushing? I, too, have been on this site and seen and participated in SW discussions, but I've only seen people dislike the sequel trilogy because the movies themselves suck, politics are generally first brought up by the defenders. But hey, I haven't seen every post in every thread, so maybe there's some I'm missing that could back up what you're saying.

If I wanted to call people out, I'd have called people out. If you think the politics of Star Wars' fan base haven't been at play on VGC, its unlikely we will agree on anything relating to this topic.



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starcraft said:

If I wanted to call people out, I'd have called people out. If you think the politics of Star Wars' fan base haven't been at play on VGC, its unlikely we will agree on anything relating to this topic.

You're making excuses for not providing proof and explanation, weak ones at that. You effectively did call people out, it's not hard to guess who exactly you are referring to. Whether or not there are plenty of fake SW fans on VGC pushing a still unspecified agenda isn't something that can be disagreed upon. If you show me evidence then I'll believe it, but not a moment sooner. If not for me, then do it for anyone who might be reading this thread. Until then your claim remains baseless and, quite frankly, laughable.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
starcraft said:

If I wanted to call people out, I'd have called people out. If you think the politics of Star Wars' fan base haven't been at play on VGC, its unlikely we will agree on anything relating to this topic.

You're making excuses for not providing proof and explanation, weak ones at that. You effectively did call people out, it's not hard to guess who exactly you are referring to. Whether or not there are plenty of fake SW fans on VGC pushing a still unspecified agenda isn't something that can be disagreed upon. If you show me evidence then I'll believe it, but not a moment sooner. If not for me, then do it for anyone who might be reading this thread. Until then your claim remains baseless and, quite frankly, laughable.

Excellent, then we agree these people exist.



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starcraft said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

You're making excuses for not providing proof and explanation, weak ones at that. You effectively did call people out, it's not hard to guess who exactly you are referring to. Whether or not there are plenty of fake SW fans on VGC pushing a still unspecified agenda isn't something that can be disagreed upon. If you show me evidence then I'll believe it, but not a moment sooner. If not for me, then do it for anyone who might be reading this thread. Until then your claim remains baseless and, quite frankly, laughable.

Excellent, then we agree these people exist.

I only said it's easy to figure out who you're talking about, I very clearly did not agree that your slanderous insinuations about said people are fair n accurate.

That you refuse to provide proof and would instead believe I said that which I did not tells me you probably didn't get this idea of SW agenda pushing VGCers from anything real, only your imagination. You like the movies and think they're good, therefore you can't stand the idea that they have objective flaws and people find them bad. You've convinced yourself that anyone who doesn't like the movies must do so for invalid reasons, that they hate because they're sexist/racist/misogynist/etc. When you can't attack their arguments, attack their character.

That is just an assumption about your thought process here, but a fair one. I've given you the chance to show this isn't true, but all you've done is reinforce it.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
starcraft said:

Excellent, then we agree these people exist.

I only said it's easy to figure out who you're talking about, I very clearly did not agree that your slanderous insinuations about said people are fair n accurate.

That you refuse to provide proof and would instead believe I said that which I did not tells me you probably didn't get this idea of SW agenda pushing VGCers from anything real, only your imagination. You like the movies and think they're good, therefore you can't stand the idea that they have objective flaws and people find them bad. You've convinced yourself that anyone who doesn't like the movies must do so for invalid reasons, that they hate because they're sexist/racist/misogynist/etc. When you can't attack their arguments, attack their character.

That is just an assumption about your thought process here, but a fair one. I've given you the chance to show this isn't true, but all you've done is reinforce it.

Slanderous insinuations whoa settle down there son this isn't WW3

To disprove you, I would need to find one, single example of someone using the phrase SJW and star wars in the same post without irony. Obviously I am not going to devote even a minute to doing that. But as I said in my previous post, if you genuinely believe those people do not exist (and you've already acknowledged you have your own ideas about who they are), then we will never agree.

We do agree however, that you just made a series of assumptions.



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Man, the lengths some will go to desperately try to prove that these films didn't underperform because of a poor reception from many fans. In the end, I suppose the calender is the largest determining factor of how your film will perform, not the reception of said film. I guess Disney are a bunch of incompetent morons for not knowing this. I mean, they have been in the movie business for over 80 years and they didn't know that if they only released their film one week earlier it would be sitting at $1.3B+ by now. Oh, boy.