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Wyrdness said:
KLXVER said:

Even if Nintendo is the brand, its still very inconsistent. Just look at GC to Wii or WiiU to Switch. PlayStation has 5 out of 6 systems selling over 80M. Nintendo is all over the place. Its still a strong brand and Nintendo do have several of the strongest IPs. I just think overall PlayStation is the strongest brand in the industry and have been since the PS1.

They're not all over the place with portables though with 3 out of 4 selling over 80m as a Hybrid Switch inherits this market and currently has a monopoly on it and is well on its way to being another 80m plus platform to the point it's possibly going to be a 100m platform which would make it Nintendo's fourth and overtake the PS brand as they're currently tied on that front which kind of is his point when it comes to brands.

Well if you don't count the Virtual Boy AND combine the GB and GBC, then sure. 

Take two identical consoles with the exact same games on them. One says PlayStation on it and the other says Nintendo on it. I would put my money on the PlayStation one selling the best. I just think the PS brand has more mass appeal. Not shitting on Nintendo in any way here, its just what I believe.



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KLXVER said:
scottslater said:

Nintendo is the "brand".  I have a feeling though that the Switch brand is going to be the future for them going forward (Switch 2, Switch Pro, Switch Lite, etc) and they have learned their lesson with the Wii U.

Even if Nintendo is the brand, its still very inconsistent. Just look at GC to Wii or WiiU to Switch. PlayStation has 5 out of 6 systems selling over 80M. Nintendo is all over the place. Its still a strong brand and Nintendo do have several of the strongest IPs. I just think overall PlayStation is the strongest brand in the industry and have been since the PS1.

I agree. The only "consoles" that have been consistent for Nintendo are their handhelds. That's why I'm saying the success of the Switch is both a blessing and a curse as it looks like Nintendo as it seems like they are now stuck in that market. Which isn't really a bad thing, especially now that they have a monopoly position but I do wonder if they will and should ever release a traditional console.



KLXVER said:
Wyrdness said:

They're not all over the place with portables though with 3 out of 4 selling over 80m as a Hybrid Switch inherits this market and currently has a monopoly on it and is well on its way to being another 80m plus platform to the point it's possibly going to be a 100m platform which would make it Nintendo's fourth and overtake the PS brand as they're currently tied on that front which kind of is his point when it comes to brands.

Well if you don't count the Virtual Boy AND combine the GB and GBC, then sure. 

Take two identical consoles with the exact same games on them. One says PlayStation on it and the other says Nintendo on it. I would put my money on the PlayStation one selling the best. I just think the PS brand has more mass appeal. Not shitting on Nintendo in any way here, its just what I believe.

GB and GBC are combined by Nintendo themselves you can look it up on their investors site yourself if you want GBC is classed as a pro model of the GB Virtual boy is also not a portable it's a table top console.

Edit: Two identical platforms argument is a flawed argument as both companies utilize different approaches to sell like how Nintendo sells on its first party you also put a vague scenario with limiting factors as lets change the context two identical platforms that are hybrids and have identical third party but their own first party I'd say that scenario is in Nintendo's favour.

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 12 December 2019

Wyrdness said:
KLXVER said:

Well if you don't count the Virtual Boy AND combine the GB and GBC, then sure. 

Take two identical consoles with the exact same games on them. One says PlayStation on it and the other says Nintendo on it. I would put my money on the PlayStation one selling the best. I just think the PS brand has more mass appeal. Not shitting on Nintendo in any way here, its just what I believe.

GB and GBC are combined by Nintendo themselves you can look it up on their investors site yourself if you want GBC is classed as a pro model of the GB Virtual boy is also not a portable it's a table top console.

Cool. Nintendo fucking owns the table top console market. No one is even close!



goopy20 said:

After the Wii-U bombed it's amazing that Nintendo was able to come back so hard with the Switch. It probably could have beaten the ps4 this gen if it was launched at the same time as the ps4/Xone. The problem, however, is that next gen is just around the corner. Meaning the specs of the Switch will be even more dated next year and I wonder what kind of impact that will have on its sales and support from 3rd party developers. Nintendo could launch a more powerful next gen Switch, of course, but it will probably take a couple of years before they would be able to get next gen like hardware into a handheld device. 

So what you guys think. Will the Switch still sell like hotcakes when the next gen starts. And if not, should they continue down the path of a handheld device, even though they could only launch it halfway through the ps5/ Scarlett's life cycle?

  

What I learned in the 12+ years I am on VGC: Specs don't sell systems. Perceived value, games, fun does. Will the introduction of PS5 and Scarlett reduce the perceived value of Switch? Barely with it's specs. It will only reduce the Switchs viability, if games arrive that blow everything before away. Experience says, that companies seldomly have that available at launch. Only in year two or three of the next gen we will see games utilize new possibilities in a meaningful way. By then the Switch will be past 80M, probably even 100M.

I might change my opinion, if the new consoles have a really mindblowing game ready for the launch or shortly thereafter. Not a visually polished version of games we already had.

The really funny thing is, that Switch had exactly that with Breath of the Wild, which even more drives home the point that specs barely matter. Switch despite lower specs could offer an experience PS5 and Xbox One couldn't. If something like that drops, it could make Switch look dated. But just new visuals on the next Battlefield will do nothing.



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KLXVER said:
Wyrdness said:

They're not all over the place with portables though with 3 out of 4 selling over 80m as a Hybrid Switch inherits this market and currently has a monopoly on it and is well on its way to being another 80m plus platform to the point it's possibly going to be a 100m platform which would make it Nintendo's fourth and overtake the PS brand as they're currently tied on that front which kind of is his point when it comes to brands.

Well if you don't count the Virtual Boy AND combine the GB and GBC, then sure. 

Take two identical consoles with the exact same games on them. One says PlayStation on it and the other says Nintendo on it. I would put my money on the PlayStation one selling the best. I just think the PS brand has more mass appeal. Not shitting on Nintendo in any way here, its just what I believe.

Um... Xbox 360 versions of games outsold PS3 just last generation pretty consistently... so even just 5/6 years ago it wasn't the "best brand" for 3rd party games... PS3 was bailed out at the end of the generation because Microsoft punted and lost a lot of it's player base and that is how it was able to hit that 80+ million mark...

As for those games on Nintendo hardware, they are usually shells of the other console versions so they don't sell on Nintendo consoles very well, if they were full fledged versions of the game though I bet they would sell just as well, if not better (look at how games like Mario Kart, Mario Odyssey, and Breath of the Wild are still consistently top selling games 2 YEARS after release).

Last edited by scottslater - on 12 December 2019

Nintendo with the Switch:

The specs and release timing are a concern, don't get me wrong. But here is the curse: Nintendo's arrogance. The Wii U failed big time because Nintendo assumed the Wii name and the tablet alone were enough to sells tens of millions, if not a hundred million units. I think hybrid systems are the way to go for Nintendo in the future. I imagine they'll use the Switch name again for its successor. Call It Switch 2, Switch Evolved, whatever. Now imagine they don't promote the console properly, and the price is too high. Not to mention trickling out exclusives people want to play, rather than at a good pace. It would be the Wii U situation all over again. The only time Nintendo has had two home consoles in a row that crushed the competition were the NES and SNES. The Wii was a fluke in otherwise declining console sales, and the Switch is another fluke (in part due to it being a hybrid). Nintendo has a very turbulent history in hardware success.
I'm hoping that the Switch 2 has almost none of the issues Switch has had. I want something better than the Switch already is, not worse.



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scottslater said:
KLXVER said:

Well if you don't count the Virtual Boy AND combine the GB and GBC, then sure. 

Take two identical consoles with the exact same games on them. One says PlayStation on it and the other says Nintendo on it. I would put my money on the PlayStation one selling the best. I just think the PS brand has more mass appeal. Not shitting on Nintendo in any way here, its just what I believe.

Um... Xbox 360 versions of games outsold PS3 just last generation pretty consistently... so even just 5/6 years ago it wasn't the "best brand" for 3rd party games... that's why I don't believe that 80+ million units for the PS3, it doesn't add up with software sales.

As for those games on Nintendo hardware, they are usually shells of the other console versions so they don't sell on Switch consoles very well, if they were full fledged versions of the game though I bet they would sell just as well, if not better.

The fact that GTAIV sold more on the 360 surprise me. Im not sure why you don't believe the PS3 sold 80M though. Could be there were just a more diverse audience on the PS3.



KLXVER said:
scottslater said:

Um... Xbox 360 versions of games outsold PS3 just last generation pretty consistently... so even just 5/6 years ago it wasn't the "best brand" for 3rd party games... that's why I don't believe that 80+ million units for the PS3, it doesn't add up with software sales.

As for those games on Nintendo hardware, they are usually shells of the other console versions so they don't sell on Switch consoles very well, if they were full fledged versions of the game though I bet they would sell just as well, if not better.

The fact that GTAIV sold more on the 360 surprise me. Im not sure why you don't believe the PS3 sold 80M though. Could be there were just a more diverse audience on the PS3.

I changed my statement to further clarify what I meant about the PS3 sales, it sold a lot at the end of it's life and I feel that was because Microsoft pissed a lot of their player base off with how they handled the Xbox One and it's announcement.  Still have a hard time believing those 80 million units saw full "use" in the generation if that makes sense.



Nintendo with the Switch:

Nintendo really just dropped out of the console market but didn't tell anyone. The Switch might hit close to 50 mill units by the time the holidays end. With that installed base...I sincerely doubt many 3rd parties won't attempt bringing games to it (cutbacks and all). Nintendo is in a really good place right now.