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Forums - Sales Discussion - Nintendo Switch Outsells Xbox One Worldwide

Runa216 said:
Wman1996 said:
Because unlike with the Wii U, Nintendo has some relatively clear audiences in mind with the Switch. The Switch appeals to kids, families, portable gamers, and Nintendo fans all pretty broadly. It doesn't matter if the Switch is your first game console or your 30th, there's at least something there for you.
Six years into its lifespan and I still don't see any clear audiences for the Xbox One. Virtually no true exclusives, Microsoft IPs that are also available on Windows and aren't particularly well-received, a base console weaker than the PS4, etc.
The Xbox One S All-Digital Edition is baffling to me because it removes the disc drive and still only has 1 TB of storage. Microsoft wants you to build a library of digital games and your storage will be eaten up really quickly.
The Xbox One X is the best way to play multiplats outside of a gaming PC, and there have been some amazing deals on it. This is the closest thing to an actual audience I can see for the Xbox One.
The Xbox One will hit 50 million units, but after the sales of the Xbox 360 there is not much comparison.

Honestly...looking back I don't know or understand how or why Xbox was ever all that popular. It had a huge surge in 2005-2009, but to be honest I genuinely think they got lucky there, by having Sony botch so spectacularly. 

The original Xbox was NOT a successful console, barely selling more than the famously poor-selling Gamecube. It had a few hit franchises but it really didn't have a huge audience. 

The Xbox 360 had a huge start with dozens of amazing exclusives and ideas, capitalizing on Sony's failures and running roughshod on its competition...but once the PS3 picked up, that console proved to sell more than the 360 in the end, resulting in the 360 - Microsoft's best-selling console ever - in last place that generation. And why? They couldn't keep up the pace into the second half of that generation. 

And the Xbone has been a flop since day 1. Poor PR, poor exclusives, then no exclusives due to PC and eventually Switch getting them, and no real place to pick up the slack, with virtually nothing of value on the console (outside of Game Pass) for the last 3 years of this generation. 

Given their history, I predict they'll do well for the first 2-3 years of the next generation but then flop hard as PS5 and Switch continue to dominate. Honestly, they've NEVER been all that successful, with two of their consoles flopping hard despite having a lot of presence in US/UK, and the third having a great start but unable to stick the landing. They're just not good at this. 

Sony had the exact inverse problem, and Nintendo has always been all over the board. Sony's PS1 came out and dominated the incumbent leader (Nintendo), then made records with their followup, the PS2. They dipped and did poorly with the PS3's first half - the same half that Microsoft capitalized on - then came back in the latter half of that generation and once again dominated with the PS4. For comparison's sake, PS's weakest offering (PS3) sold more than Microsoft's best (360).

And since this is a thread comparing Xbox and Nintendo, that's a bit harder given Nintendo's long history and fluctuations. The NES, SNES, N64, and Gamecube all had declines in popularity, only to spike in the Wii era and flop again in WiiU. The Switch is back to doing remarkably well (And let's be honest, I think Nintendo does best when they innovate or think outside the box. The same pattern can be seen with the portable lines, with Game Boy, Game Boy Advance decline, then the DS/3DS decline).

I think that a healthy gaming environment has two distinct companies. Sony for the basics, high resolution stuff, HD games, core games, and indies...while Nintendo does all the wacky, out-of-the-box thinking stuff. We have creativity, we have power, we have variety, etc. Microsoft just fails at doing what its competition does. I kinda feel sorry for it, becuase Sony having good competition is good....but they have not had that. 

Man, I sound like an F-word. I just like comparing, though. That, and after buying an Xbox 360 and Xbone and never playing them (I literally spend more time Netflixing and updating firmware on my Xbone than I ever did playing games on it), I'm completely lost as a customer of theirs. Hell, I didn't even bother buying Cuphead on Xbone because I got it on Switch and had it on PC first. Just no reason to have an Xbox. No wonder it flopped in the long run. 

I like Xbox but I never owned the original. According to magazines at the time, the PS2's sales were already so incredible that the 6th gen console war was over before the Gamecube and Xbox even sold their first console. They had sales figures and polls supporting it. I remember being sad because I was a Nintendo fan and I kept saying "When Nintendo releases THEIR system, then you'll see!" Unfortunately, leaving the previous gen leader unopposed for so long was suicide.

Now, with the Xbox 360, I can tell you exactly why they caught fire:

-It had a one year headstart

-When the PS3 was announced, they showed off games like Fight Night 3 that looked way better than anything the Xbox 360 had shown. Then, at some event (E3?) they showed games that were believed to be exclusive to PS3 running on the Xbox looking just as good. Suddenly the hardware didn't look so weak.

-Sony announced the price of the system ($499 and $599) a whopping TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS more expensive than the Xbox 360 systems.

-The gaming media collectively seemed to enjoy trashing Sony, blowing many things out of proportion almost as if there were some conspiracy. 

-The Xbox 360 continued to grab franchises that were considered "PlayStation franchises" (GTA, Resident Evil, etc.) as well as exclusive DLC--sometimes permanently exclusive. Comparisons often showed the 360 version of games to be superior most of the time.

-Though the PS3 gained capabilities over time, it was always well behind the 360. PS3 had a web browser first, Dynamic Themes and a Blu Ray player but aside from that, the Xbox was getting most things a year or more before PlayStation if PlayStation even got them at all. Netflix, Achievements, Cross Game Chat, Custom Soundtracks, etc. It always felt like the PS3 was playing catch up.

PS3 had some good features (cross buy with PSP for example) but they never seemed to make the same waves as Xbox 360 features.

-Online gaming really exploded and even with free online, it was just perceived that Sony offered and inferior online experience. Even when Sony's online was often on par or better (Sony had more dedicated servers). Again, it just seemed like public perception was against Sony until like 2009. 

-Everything wasn't perfect in Xbox land. They had issues with defective machines, lack of features (HDMI in early versions), etc. Sony had the image of being hacked and the "ApocalyPS3" where gamers couldn't play specific games and the PSN outage where no one could play online.

-A lot of undeserved hype for Kinect (I enjoyed mine, though...)

It all added up to Sony having a worse gen than probably should have and Microsoft having a better gen than they probably should have.

*Forgot to mention that, not only did you original Xbox sell relatively poory, it also had a short life and every console was sold at an estimated $100 loss. It was considered a Trojan horse to build the new brand. 



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RolStoppable said:
Signalstar said:

Evidence that Nintendo Shelled Out Money to Capcom to Have Monster Hunter on 3DS rather than Vita:

1) A Monster Hunter game was shown running on Vita hardware at the handhelds initial reveal in Japan when it was still called NGP.

2) Nintendo created and released the Circle Pad Pro for the 3DS with Monster Hunter as the marquee game in mind. The Vita already had 2 analog stick, therefore it already had optimal controls for Monster Hunter.

3) Monster Hunter released on the 3DS, with bundled special editions, the same day as Vita's launch day in Japan. It was clearly meant to counteract the Vita. The 3DS handily outsold the Vita that week.

4) To date no Monster Hunter Game has been released for the Vita.

Evidence that Sony Shelled Out Money to Capcom to Prevent Monster Hunter on Switch:

0) There is no evidence that Sony shelled out money to Capcom to Prevent Monster Hunter on Switch.

Evidence that Sony Did Not Shell Out Money to Capcom to Prevent Monster Hunter on Switch:

1) Monster Hunter World has always been announced as a multi-platform game. It is available for the Xbox One and PC. Why would Sony allow this if it just wanted to keep the game off Switch. We have seen what it looks like when Sony wants a game Console exclusive with Capcom: Eg: Street Figther V.

This next one is very important...

2) A Monster Hunter game has already been released on Switch. It is called Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate. If Sony paid Capcom to keep MH off Switch they should ask for their money back.

So there is way more evidence that my conclusion is likely and almost zero evidence that his conclusion is even possible. Yet you only asked me for proof...

It's shocking that there are still people out there who doubt that Nintendo and Capcom had a Monster Hunter deal. It was understandable in the early stages of the deal that there was doubt, but over time it should have become undeniable that there was a deal because PS consoles altogether were blocked by it.

But the same line of thinking has to hold true for the current situation. Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate was released for the 3DS in early 2017, so we are now closing in on three years without a new Monster Hunter for a Nintendo console. There hasn't even been any kind of announcement yet.

Similarly, you have to consider how Sony makes deals. It has been common for them to not buy outright exclusivity and leave the door open for PC versions because that lowers the cost of the deal. Now think about how much of an impact the existence of Monster Hunter World on Xbox One has; not only is the installed base of Microsoft's console incredibly low in Japan, as far as I remember the Xbox version didn't even get released in Japan. But either way, MHW was going to be effectively a console exclusive for PS in Japan. When the objective is merely to block Nintendo, it's not worth paying to withhold an Xbox version that isn't going to be important anyway. Likewise, Sony's deal with Capcom has to only concern MH games going forward because an HD port of a 3DS game isn't going to be competitive with all-new games.

If the entirety of 2020 passes without news of a new MH game for Switch, then there should be no doubt anymore that Sony has paid to keep MH off Switch, because that's the only sound business reasoning for Capcom to not use their cash cow on a highly successful console that is already known to have a significant audience for MH games because of all the MH games on the 3DS as well as the solid sales of 3DS port on Switch.

At least you agree with me on something.

You are assuming that Capcom is rational. It makes sense to put a Monster Hunter game on Switch and I fully expect there to be one. It also makes sense to put a game like GTA V on Switch as well. Rockstar just does not want to, which is irrational.



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only777 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Reasons as to why?

Sure.

Total lack of 1st party games.  The first Xbox had Microsoft pushing for a lot of great exclusives.  You could say this about the 360 too for the first half of it's life.  But the XBO is totally lacking.  Where is Scalebound?  Where is Project Gothem Racing?  For a company selling a games machine how has this happened?

But we know how this happened, its a total failure of management at Microsoft.  From creating a console with features no one wanted, mis-management of 1st party studios to behind the scenes stuff like ID @Xbox (remember that?!).  The console sucks because the people that made it cocked up every single aspect around it.

Here's the big difference between Xbox and Sony.  When Sony fucked up the PS3 launch, they worked hard on the one thing that could actully get them back in the race; Games.

Microsoft have spent their time doing Xcloud, Backward compatibility and pushing for cross play.  All nice things, but a complete waste of time if you don't have the number one thing people actually want the console for; GAMES!

You could say that they are holding back now to bring everything to scarlet.  But that's a shit excuse.  When Sony fucked up, they made damn sure that by the end of the PS3's life it had killer games on it.  How come Microsoft haven't managed this too?  Because Xbox management is inept.

That's why Xbox sucks.

Forza Horizon is Project Gotham racing as a matter of fact its way better then Project Gotham racing.  The X1 overall software lineup is already better then the 360's was and that is with still almost a year to go before the next system launches.  Only people that are hating on the X1 are people like you that actually don't own one or never even tried one.



I know it's a coincidence, but how fitting that two days after the numbers come in showing Switch has outsold Xbox One, MS reveal the next Xbox.



trunkswd said:

That is rather fitting and likely a coincidence. Microsoft is likely going to go all out to start the next generation on the right foot. 

Shame about the name though. I can see a lot of casuals being confused on what the "Series X" is supposed to be.

It'll be "Is the Wii U just a tablet add-on to the Wii?" all over again.



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So in the end it took 2 years 9 months to close the gap, with Xbone getting a head start of 3 years 4 months.



PS4 is the next target



LGBTDBZBBQ said:
PS4 is the next target



Luck isn't needed here, just BOTW 2, Next 3d Mario, and more Pokemons.



LGBTDBZBBQ said:

Luck isn't needed here, just BOTW 2, Next 3d Mario, and more Pokemons.

Let's just take it one console at a time. It has a chance of doing it but the PS4 is still selling well and has yet to have a price drop in God knows how long.

Switch is a beast but so is the ps4.