I've got quite a few friends who game for like an hour at a time or less. Mostly because of kids in their 'free time'. 30 sec to 60 sec+ load times means less play time, depending on how much loading is going on for whichever game. I know more than a few of them have stated they can't stand the long load times on PS4, and at times won't bother playing because it doesn't feel worth it over a shorter period of time. I myself really don't like having to wait either. 30 secs max is about as long as I think is reasonable, and sometimes the wait can be much longer than that.

I think many people, if given the choice, would choose 1800p/60 checkerboard with 10 sec max load times, vs native 4k/60 30sec-60sec load times. There certainly are people who would rather wait to be able to have all the visual bells and whistles, but I don't think they are the majority. Waiting for games to load is actually a regression compared to the distant past. While it doesn't have to be instantaneous, a bar should be set, and whatever it costs to meet that, needs to be taken from elsewhere. Either that, or we get another PS3 situation.

I am one of them. I will come home and fire up a game of Overwatch on the PC rather than a game of Halo 5 on Xbox One X, Breath of the Wild on WiiU, Mario Kart 8 on Switch etc'.
Why? Because my PC boots up and loads overwatch in mere seconds and I can have a match for 10 minutes during a break.
Plus my lifestyle is pretty sporadic to start with.

Due stop mixing all the quotes 

"Many effects are driven by the CPU. - Thus you can retain the same game design with a weaker CPU." ??? Your statement is conflicted . If manny effect are driven by CPU that having a weaker CPU will make scalability game design imposible on weaker CPU. Thus i said that having Xbox One (jaguar)  for designing game  will be hampering all the unique feature and tech from Ryzen that could be utilized. I am not talking about just grapich alone but game design consiste, game concept, level, map, AI, Physicist, etc etc. (you agree with this)

" What gives you the impression that Lockhart will just be a rebadged Playstation 4 Pro? " I never said that, it's from Jason Kotaku said Lockhart GPU is equal to PS4 pro according to his resource  ". But i am not saying it will have the same capability as PS4 pro in terms of overall performance or game design. And i am not complaining about Lockhurt.

just look into Watchdog 2012 trailer  and compared that to Watchdog when it was released. Many PC gamers complain that the games was downgraded and blame console (PS4/Xbox One), but in reality the ones who need to blame are PS3/Xbox 360 , because Watchdog are also come to PS3/xbox360/Wii U.   

A scalability can work on game design agree if it's a scaledown , but scaling up no. But for graphic is possible but still required more time even if it's using an middleware and a good API . Scaling graphic  down from Anaconda to Xbox One is possible Scaling up games from Xbox One to Anaconda is easy but the games is just an Xbox One games.  Because Microsoft want parity a cross of their platform which is like how PC was (scale up on just resolution and Frame rates thus they insists with 120 fps /4k) , they don't care about next gen, no more next gen. Anaconda  will be just glorified PC if they want to focus on crossgen. 

I just want they focus on Scarlet and leave Xbox One in the dust, Sony might do the same with PS5 but according to Jason they are ready to move their game design to PS5 as baseline. 

We now have Jason Schreier, FLUTE leak, Microsoft E3 video, The verge saying Anaconda is above 10TF, a verified insider saying both PS5 and Xbox anaconda is above 10TF. Add 3 people who have contacts with game developers (Kleegamfan, Colin Mccarthy, Andrew Reiner) saying PS5 is above Anaconda, what conclusion can we draw?

That the discussion if PS5 or Anaconda is below 10TF is over, the people who thought below 10TF are defeated. The next battle is whether next-gen consoles are using TSMC N7P or 7nm+.

I'm on 7nm+, who's with me?

A man can dream, i still hope for 7nm+ as well but there is another choice which is 7nm EUV is not as good 7nm+ but is better then 7nm for sure. 

Well I definitely think that people are taking the Lockhart rumor being close spec to PS4pro to literally. Clearly if they are saying that maybe the theoretical numbers may look similar, but the newer Xbox would easily outperform the PS4pro having a newer gpu and cpu on 7nm+ process. I actually believe it would probably be much closer to the XboxOne X than anything in real world performance...

Hmm not sure what you saying Tsmc 7nm+ is EUV, Tsmc N7P is updated version of Tsmc's 7nm which can do better clocks. Samsung 7nm is also EUV but it's probably worse then Tsmc's N7P but that is just a guess.

Yes Lockhart should land exactly at 4TF (18CU's, 1,8ghz) but on benchmarks a 5TF Navi loses to radeon 580 for some reason, even though Eurogamer done tests showing Navi has 50% higher Performance/Teraflops, we just haft to see what happens.

Edit: Ah figured it out, Navi have 20% faster TF compared to Polaris architecture that is in Xbox one X and radeon 580. The 50% number is compared to original Gcn architecture in Ps4 and Xbox one. 

First, we’re talking next year's GPU.

Second, they're Navi based, but essentially they’re both going to be custom made.

Third, there’s a big difference between retail price of a single unit and bulk price of min 30+ million units. 

Fourth, those systems will be sold at a loss, and both will be more expensive than their predecessors.

Unfortunately I am no longer surprised in regards to the insane stuff people say here when it comes to being negative about Microsoft 🤡

Im just waiting for the inevitable latest prediction that this is their last console.

Still considering most of the sales where on base PS4 and X1, the games were developed with good performance on those systems and them using the extra power of pro or x1x to improve fps, pixel count or some effects.

They didn't made the game focused on X1X (the lowest seller of them all) and them axed until it worked on the others, that would cost more time and money plus making worse versions for most of the consumers.

So if Sony focus PS5 single system with the most they can pack at 399 up to 499 pricetag (with up to 100 of cost being eaten by Sony to recover on SW) the 1st party of Sony will simply destroy in quality and IQ the games that would be made with baseline lockhart from MS. Just like they did this gen.