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Rumor:PS5 & Anaconda Scarlet GPU on par with RTX 2080, Xbox exclusives focus on Cross gen, Developer complain about Lockhart.UPDATE: Windows Central said Xbox Anaconda target 12 teraflop

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Update: https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-scarlett-anaconda-lockhart-specs

" In the 2019 reveal video, Xbox cloud architect Kareem Choudhry said Scarlett could "eat monsters for breakfast," and indeed, Anaconda looks as though it will be able to. According to several sources familiar with Microsoft's plans, Anaconda is targeting around 12 teraflops (TF) of computing power, compared to the Xbox One X's 6TF, and the Xbox One S's 1.4. Lockhart conversely will sport around 4TF, and according to marketing materials we've seen previously, it is being positioned as the most-affordable entry point to next-gen experiences.

It's important to note, however, that TF doesn't really tell the entire story of next-gen systems, owing to piles of custom tech Microsoft is planning to bake into these consoles. For example, Microsoft already spoke about how ray-tracing will be a factor in next-gen systems, and while Lockhart has less raw power than the X, it will have capabilities that elevate it further than the X in various ways." 

Original Post : https://open.spotify.com/episode/54lkknVkGprvTFndHkwvzm

So during Kotaku Splitscreen podcast by Jason schreier and other Kotakus , Jason who has been leaked many infos about PS5 and Scarlet, and recently re- confirmed about the resurrection of Lockhart plan by Microsoft,  gave another new infos regarding PS5 and Scarlet. The next gen consoles discussion start around minute 24:55

so some crusical info:

  1. Both Consoles will have similar spec/power,  and both are very powerful.
  2. Lockhart is still a thing , after a past couple month insider said it was canceled but Microsoft still planning to release it.
  3. The disinterest from some developers for lockhart,  it said Lockhart will have significantly less ram, the GPU is basically PS4 Pro level,  the CPU and SSD should improve it beyond that, still developers don't want to be forced to work on lockhart and feel that the SKU will hamper next gen games progress and game innovation.
  4. He heard that PS5 launch games ( first party IP) will be all PS5 exclusives (developed using PS5 spec as baseline).  He  will probably make an article about it in the future
  5. He did not hear about what Microsoft games, but he assumed that they Xbox first party ip will target  xbox one as baseline spec and coming to all Xbox consoles (like Halo Infinite made as a cross gen games). 
  6. PS5 campaign will be focusing on accessibility  like no need to think anymore about "i only have 1 hour should i go play this?" but instead gives the option of "play for 10 minutes and stop like using netflix" per his examples and also No loading time and fast loading time.  
  7. Last thing he said, that PS5 and Anaconda are better than "graphics cards like the RTX 2080, on the  current market". Regarding this Jason stated that take this with a big grain of salt.

Remember all this rumor should be taken  with a big grain of salt, this info probably just " verified " rumor which is still a rumor. Some plan can be changed in the future. Some spec might get downgrade or upgrade, or some games might get canceled or ported.

But rest assured, because all this info are aligned with all the past rumor and confirmation from Sony and Microsoft . Like how The verge said  that PS5 and Scarlet targeted above 10 TF of RDNA GPU performance which is equal to RTX 2080.  Also based  on benchmark, RX 5700 XT (which are some believed to be use for PS5 & Scarlet  performance) are close to  to RTX 2070 super and RTX 2080 . Also past leaked 3D benchmark of PS5 APU (Oberon , Ariel and Gonzalo) has equal score to RTX 2080 benchmark score. I believe PS5 and Scarlet will be very powerful and has significant jump on graphic. 

Regarding on Microsoft Cross Gen games strategy, Mad Booty also confirmed this. Microsoft are looking for ecosystem strategy rather then platform strategy (they don't care about consoles sales). So either you played on Xbox One, Xbox One X, Xcloud or PC , you will get the same games and the same quality games (with some exception that advance system like PC or Anaconda will have better frame rates and higher resolution). They are selling subscription and promotes ecosystem.

It's different from Sony strategy that focus on hardware and individual copies sales of games , also Sony are satisfied with PS4 and want PS4 gamer immigrate to PS5 as fast as possible. This indicate future first party games will only made using PS5 as baseline (no forward compatibility for PS4) . (note: please don't confused with backward compatibility). Both will have different focus and strategy.  

Note: As much i hate Kotaku on their controversies regarding SJW , they are still game journalist that has been proven correct sometimes  and has weight regarding leak and insider info, they also  has many relation with game developer, so please don't bring political discussion here. 

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Xbox One as the baseline? ... geuss I'll stick with my Xbox 360 for another gen.



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Just to think they're people on this site that think MS is going to make major comeback in the console space. XBOX game pass is their primary game service and that will be on everything and they loooooove that idea. Google opend the door to games as service and MS just ran through it. The console is just to shut people until they're trained.



VersusEvil said:
Xbox One as the baseline? ... geuss I'll stick with my Xbox 360 for another gen.

Forza Horizon 4 was developed with Xbox One X as the lead platform, I'd bet on it that any post-Scarlet titles from XGS will be developed with Xbox Scarlet as the lead platform then scaled down for Xbox One.



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Just to think they're people on this site that think MS is going to make major comeback in the console space. XBOX game pass is their primary game service and that will be on everything and they loooooove that idea. Google opend the door to games as service and MS just ran through it. The console is just to shut people until they're trained.

They already said consoles sales are useless , and Satya Nadella said consoles sales wont get 1 billion unit. So they are trying with subscription based model like netflix. Sony already has 100 million buyer waiting to buy PS5, while Microsoft do not, they are still do trial and error and want to try new market (blue ocean market) . Game pass is indeed their product. Service is the product, and ecosystem and subs is their main selling point. 



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Not a chance the PS5/Scarlet are equivalent to an RTX 2080. The RX 5700 XT is the best Navi card atm, it's not as good as an RTX 2080 and it costs $400.

Performance will be closer to the RTX 2060, a little below the RX 5700 (non XT).



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Barkley said:

Not a chance the PS5/Scarlet are equivalent to an RTX 2080. The RX 5700 XT is the best Navi card atm, it's not as good as an RTX 2080 and it costs $400.

Performance will be closer to the RTX 2060, a little below the RX 5700 (non XT).

Don't forget that those consoles won't come out for another year. By that time a 2070 will be midrange. Not hard to believe that consoles will be around that power.



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Barkley said:

Not a chance the PS5/Scarlet are equivalent to an RTX 2080. The RX 5700 XT is the best Navi card atm, it's not as good as an RTX 2080 and it costs $400.

Performance will be closer to the RTX 2060, a little below the RX 5700 (non XT).

Again , we still don't know, but next year all RX 5700 price will go down due to new GPU from AMD (RDNA 2)  and Nvidia RX 3000 series. And Many insider beside Jason also confirmed this, plus with all the PS5 APU Gonzalo benchmark that has similar score to RTX 2080. 

Sony and Microsoft already confirmed that PS5 and Scarlet will have dedicated ray tracing which is not available with RX 5700 XT. So PS5 and Scarlet Anaconda will have better GPU then RX 5700 XT or similar with it. 



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Barkley said:

Not a chance the PS5/Scarlet are equivalent to an RTX 2080. The RX 5700 XT is the best Navi card atm, it's not as good as an RTX 2080 and it costs $400.

Performance will be closer to the RTX 2060, a little below the RX 5700 (non XT).

Don't forget that those consoles won't come out for another year. By that time a 2070 will be midrange. Not hard to believe that consoles will be around that power.

Agree, next year even 3060 will be as powerful as RTX2080 . The jump from 12 nm to 7 nm+ is big on performance for Nvidia. PS4 back at the time are equal to GTX 660, which is a mid tier GPU back in 2013. 



Barkley said:

Not a chance the PS5/Scarlet are equivalent to an RTX 2080. The RX 5700 XT is the best Navi card atm, it's not as good as an RTX 2080 and it costs $400.

Performance will be closer to the RTX 2060, a little below the RX 5700 (non XT).

Next gen consoles will have hardware capable of ray tracing, so their GPUs will likely be based on AMD's next gen architecture, not the actual. That's not to say that they'll be as powerful as a 2080, of course, there are a lot of reasons why that isn't realistic (cost and heat are the obvious ones), but we have to keep that in mind.

We also need to remember that PS5/Scarlet will probably target 4K as their goal resolution, and that demands a lot of power (unless they go for a checkerboard trick again).



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