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Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said: 


Sure context is key. And the important part is that MS have been doing, actually invented, what he says he isn't a big fun. And it is fun that he think a 30 day partial content timed exclusivity is worse than a full year of full exclusivity.

You are not reading the quote correctly.  He is stating that Yes, MS make marketing deals with developers/publishers but they never hold back any content in those deals or make such deals.  Yes, they will make time exclusive deals where they pay for a period of time where the game is exclusive to their system but never will they make a time exclusive where the developer/publisher will lock features or content from another system permanently.

My point is that people will take a statement like this and generalize it to fit their opinion but that is wrong.  That is a way for people to twist the context of a statement to make it fit an opinion instead of taking it exactly as it was phrased.  Even in your statement you appear to take that statement and conform it to your opinion instead of taking it as phrased and its only from a part of the interview which doesn't cover the complete context of the question asked.  This is the problem with the internet where people take pieces and parts of an answer and conform it to an opinion which most times isn't correct.

When you take a statement and try to conform it to your opinion, you first need to ask yourself are you really reading the statement or are you trying to make it conform to what you want to believe.  In order to make that statement conform to your opinion, you would need to make follow up questions to clarify your additional assessments.  Without doing that, you are just making an assumption on what you believe Phil is saying which isn't correct.

Yes, let's pretend Phil didn't made that quote to try and attack Sony on a practice that is evolution of what they started and kept doing.

And again if you can't see that when he is publicly talking he is doing PR for Xbox then there is not much we can discuss. He is the public image of Xbox at the moment so anything he say related to gaming is taken as a statement from MS themselves over Xbox, so PR.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

You are not reading the quote correctly.  He is stating that Yes, MS make marketing deals with developers/publishers but they never hold back any content in those deals or make such deals.  Yes, they will make time exclusive deals where they pay for a period of time where the game is exclusive to their system but never will they make a time exclusive where the developer/publisher will lock features or content from another system permanently.

My point is that people will take a statement like this and generalize it to fit their opinion but that is wrong.  That is a way for people to twist the context of a statement to make it fit an opinion instead of taking it exactly as it was phrased.  Even in your statement you appear to take that statement and conform it to your opinion instead of taking it as phrased and its only from a part of the interview which doesn't cover the complete context of the question asked.  This is the problem with the internet where people take pieces and parts of an answer and conform it to an opinion which most times isn't correct.

When you take a statement and try to conform it to your opinion, you first need to ask yourself are you really reading the statement or are you trying to make it conform to what you want to believe.  In order to make that statement conform to your opinion, you would need to make follow up questions to clarify your additional assessments.  Without doing that, you are just making an assumption on what you believe Phil is saying which isn't correct.

Yes, let's pretend Phil didn't made that quote to try and attack Sony on a practice that is evolution of what they started and kept doing.

And again if you can't see that when he is publicly talking he is doing PR for Xbox then there is not much we can discuss. He is the public image of Xbox at the moment so anything he say related to gaming is taken as a statement from MS themselves over Xbox, so PR.

Who needs to pretend.  Did you actually read the whole interview.  Do you know the question that was asked and what he was answering.  In other words, you took a quote, without actually understanding the complete context or question asked and formed an opinion.  This is what I am talking about, and I see it all the time.  You state he is attacking Sony, or is he just giving his opinion on what he like and dislike based on the question asked.  You made a statement and formed an opinion that was different then what Phil actually said concerning a topic.  When the text did not line up with what you thought, you then massaged it to your opinion which is still not correct.  The thing is, Phil did not say what you stated and it still doesn't play with your opinion.

Let me ask you as question, what does PR actually means to you.  When Phil takes an interview and answer a question, how do you view his statements.  Is the weight of his answers whether correct or incorrect weigh more than lets say someone like Major Nelson.  So when you say his statements is PR, exactly what are you trying to say.  Of course any statements made are public relations, the question is the weight of those statements and who they come from.  Coming from someone who is doing QA in MS compared to the head of the division is totally different.



Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, let's pretend Phil didn't made that quote to try and attack Sony on a practice that is evolution of what they started and kept doing.

And again if you can't see that when he is publicly talking he is doing PR for Xbox then there is not much we can discuss. He is the public image of Xbox at the moment so anything he say related to gaming is taken as a statement from MS themselves over Xbox, so PR.

Who needs to pretend.  Did you actually read the whole interview.  Do you know the question that was asked and what he was answering.  In other words, you took a quote, without actually understanding the complete context or question asked and formed an opinion.  This is what I am talking about, and I see it all the time.  You state he is attacking Sony, or is he just giving his opinion on what he like and dislike based on the question asked.  You made a statement and formed an opinion that was different then what Phil actually said concerning a topic.  When the text did not line up with what you thought, you then massaged it to your opinion which is still not correct.  The thing is, Phil did not say what you stated and it still doesn't play with your opinion.

Let me ask you as question, what does PR actually means to you.  When Phil takes an interview and answer a question, how do you view his statements.  Is the weight of his answers whether correct or incorrect weigh more than lets say someone like Major Nelson.  So when you say his statements is PR, exactly what are you trying to say.  Of course any statements made are public relations, the question is the weight of those statements and who they come from.  Coming from someone who is doing QA in MS compared to the head of the division is totally different.

Yes I read it and it was discussed to death on a dedicated thread at the time.

Regarding what is PR, what he says hold the most weight regarding Xbox except perhaps something said directly by Satya or official signed document from MS.

Since he is in the lead of the whole division what he put as his opinions and strategies are what theoretically he is steering the department or at least would like to. So it would be naive to think that something he says publicly, be it his tweeter or an interview, haven't been thought and constructed to serve his purposes at the leadership of Xbox. If something he said was wrongly taken or he confused himself (can happen) a formal communication stating that would be necessary.

It would be amateur on his part if he would talk things that would damage Xbox or is his internal thoughts that aren't related to how he wants Xbox to be seem.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, let's pretend Phil didn't made that quote to try and attack Sony on a practice that is evolution of what they started and kept doing.

And again if you can't see that when he is publicly talking he is doing PR for Xbox then there is not much we can discuss. He is the public image of Xbox at the moment so anything he say related to gaming is taken as a statement from MS themselves over Xbox, so PR.

Who needs to pretend.  Did you actually read the whole interview.  Do you know the question that was asked and what he was answering.  In other words, you took a quote, without actually understanding the complete context or question asked and formed an opinion.  This is what I am talking about, and I see it all the time.  You state he is attacking Sony, or is he just giving his opinion on what he like and dislike based on the question asked.  You made a statement and formed an opinion that was different then what Phil actually said concerning a topic.  When the text did not line up with what you thought, you then massaged it to your opinion which is still not correct.  The thing is, Phil did not say what you stated and it still doesn't play with your opinion.

Let me ask you as question, what does PR actually means to you.  When Phil takes an interview and answer a question, how do you view his statements.  Is the weight of his answers whether correct or incorrect weigh more than lets say someone like Major Nelson.  So when you say his statements is PR, exactly what are you trying to say.  Of course any statements made are public relations, the question is the weight of those statements and who they come from.  Coming from someone who is doing QA in MS compared to the head of the division is totally different.

I've went down this rabbit hole before with him and others here and for the most part, no, they don't read the entire interview, or apply any context whatsoever to the answer, or the question itself. And anything that is read is only read through the rosiest of tinted glasses. From this angle it's very easy to accuse someone of spin or "lies" as is the most constant thing thrown around on this forum.



Control is the kind of game Remedy should be making for game pass. Perfect platform for them to tell their stories, since their games seem to be struggling with sales otherwise.



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KiigelHeart said:
Control is the kind of game Remedy should be making for game pass. Perfect platform for them to tell their stories, since their games seem to be struggling with sales otherwise.

I believe Gamepass and MS umbrella at this time would be perfect for Remedy.  I believe MS could give them something like a 5 year deal, make what you want and if you like what we do re up the deal for another 5 years.  Gamepass need story type games that Remedy want to make without worrying about the financials.