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Kotaku's Jason Schreier: 3rd Party Devs Frustrated By Lack Of Info On Scarlett

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thismeintiel said:

Thoughts?  Oh, and sorry if this was already posted. Didn't see it on here.

When all the pictures of PS5 dev kits where out, and the amount..... seems to point to Sony haveing a multiple month lead, with kits out.

If your launching a game 11 months from now with a new console, haveing had a extra 4-6 months with a dev kit, can make a big differnce in how well optimised those games are at launch. Xbox Might have more powerfull hardware as a result? of this wait and see, what sony are planning type deal, but will likely not be something that shows in the first few batches of games. Also theres a downside to aiming for the performance crown, usually that comes at higher unit production costs.



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thismeintiel said:
vivster said:
If they were actually committed to battle Sony on equal footing, equal footing being incredibly more powerful to make up for the lack of everything else, then they would just come out guns blazing. So far nothing is pointing towards MS actually wanting to put up a fight. They seem to be very much content to just trod along, just like the current gen. But I guess pretending to want to gain market share doesn't cost them anything.

Agreed. To me it just seems Tom Warren was doing damage control. In the end, I still believe that they will be incredibly similar devices. If either of them have an edge, it will most likely be by 10%-15%. I guess enough to mention, but not enough to truly make a big enough difference visually that anyone would truly care.

^ that.

Also as a result of delayed dev kits, you might see less games early comeing to xbox.
(ei. a few more PS5 indies, or double AA's)

The xbox One launch was hot too, they had to rethink alot of their policies, and change alot of software for the system and how it handles games.
(when they removed the disk = 1 license install only, always online ect ect stuff)

This could also mean you risk running into a launch like the xbox one, with the TV,TV,TV,SPorts,TV,Halo,TV.. ect
(without that many new games to show case for it).



I want MS to compete next gen. I don't want another walk over. Sony took their foot off the peddle once they knew they got the market. It's better for the consumers if MS front up.



So Schreier has talked with every 3rd party studio now. Ok.

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with secrecy. Xbox division is being careful now because of the last launch and they are right to do so. That's the only way to be one step ahead of Sony. Also, the Scarlett will launch with Halo Infinite, that alone will be a big advantage, hot or not.



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I really don't know what Microsoft's strategy is anymore. It seems like they are all over the place. On the one hand they are investing heavily in xcloud and gamepass. But they also seem to want to have the most powerful console when Scarlett releases. They seem kind of scattered.

If they are waiting to release a more powerful system than the PS5, then it wouldn't surprise me. Not only in Microsoft obsessively image/marketing focused, but they think of gaming in PC terms. Games made for the PC are designed to be upgrade/downgraded based on hardware specs. It is easy to make these modifications. Games made specifically for console don't necessarily upgrade/downgrade so easily. But they are likely thinking of games in PC terms.



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Yes, probably changes in the strategy - like the mentioned 2 SKUs becoming only 1 - have made they a little delayed on the schedule to have the dev kits and final HW available for devs...

Just to remember that in less than 6 months they will already me manufacturing the customer HW to prepare for launch. They have to make prototypes, prepare lines, have contracts for parts signed, etc. None of this happens in 1 month.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

OTBWY said:
So Schreier has talked with every 3rd party studio now. Ok.

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with secrecy. Xbox division is being careful now because of the last launch and they are right to do so. That's the only way to be one step ahead of Sony. Also, the Scarlett will launch with Halo Infinite, that alone will be a big advantage, hot or not.

Actually the secrecy on last launch made it worse for them.

If the rumors of the always online and TV TV TV were more spreed and received more backlash MS could have changed the policies and focus before anything was public so they wouldn't have been hit so hard.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Devs are making these games on PCs. As an actual developer from Moon Studios said in one of the Resetera threads on this issue, the specs are pretty much known. Whether you have a dev kit this early doesn’t matter. Final dev kits for both consoles aren’t coming until 2020.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Devs are making these games on PCs. As an actual developer from Moon Studios said in one of the Resetera threads on this issue, the specs are pretty much known. Whether you have a dev kit this early doesn’t matter. Final dev kits for both consoles aren’t coming until 2020.

Agreed, let's be honest it's not going to be much different from last gen. The systems Sony and MS put out are going to be very similar.

Both have Zen 2 CPU's, both have NAVI GPU's, both have SSD's, both have some form of Ray Tracing support. Not having the Scarlett dev kit isn't going to be much of a hurdle. As long as they get it in time to make adjustments and optimisations for the few system specific quirks. (I.E things like the XBO's ESRAM). Even if they didn't get it till May I don't see how the games would suffer much.



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OTBWY said:
So Schreier has talked with every 3rd party studio now. Ok.

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with secrecy. Xbox division is being careful now because of the last launch and they are right to do so. That's the only way to be one step ahead of Sony. Also, the Scarlett will launch with Halo Infinite, that alone will be a big advantage, hot or not.

Thats BS.... DonFerrari explains why below.

DonFerrari said:
OTBWY said:
So Schreier has talked with every 3rd party studio now. Ok.

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with secrecy. Xbox division is being careful now because of the last launch and they are right to do so. That's the only way to be one step ahead of Sony. Also, the Scarlett will launch with Halo Infinite, that alone will be a big advantage, hot or not.

Actually the secrecy on last launch made it worse for them.

If the rumors of the always online and TV TV TV were more spreed and received more backlash MS could have changed the policies and focus before anything was public so they wouldn't have been hit so hard.

This.

If anything secrecy also hurts early game adaption from newer titles, esp from the indie + smaller scene stuff (aa studios), who wont have time to optimise and code for a scarlet dev kit, because their just forgotten/left out in the dark.

If currently few AAA studios have them, and the rest of those guys talking to Jason Schreier are complaining,
its gonna be worse for the small guys out there.

This could lead to another "tv,tv,tv,halo,tv,sports,tv,gears,sports,tv" type situation.