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To surprise Sony 9 20.45%
 
It's late because Sony ar... 9 20.45%
 
It's just showed Microsof... 6 13.64%
 
They probably just rebuil... 4 9.09%
 
Who knows 16 36.36%
 
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More likely that they didn't expect Sony to be so far into development for the PS5 and are behind schedule. Maybe MS were waiting for AMD's newer chips and realised they couldn't wait for that.

Launching the Nextbox a long time after PS5 would be really bad for Microsoft.



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Azzanation said:
setsunatenshi said:

1- I was comparing general game quality from both first party studios, not genre specific, because that would always be bias toward whatever genre any person prefers. You consistently have Sony 1st party games in the goty discussion year after year, how many first party Xbox games were even in contention this gen?

2- "It also wont be embarrassing for MS because..." we don't know what will or won't. I said it was embarrassing to compare the output in terms of 3rd person action games. Meaning in the past, I don't predict the future. Also, "rumors... are rumored" made me chuckle a bit, it sums up greatly your counterpoints.

3- Exactly, not many games have been made by Xbox 1st party, thank you for making my point for me. They have a ton of studios and still, nothing worth noting comes out (except Forza, those guys are prolific if nothing else). Solid releases like state of decay 2, sea of thieves and crackdown 3...

1) That's a odd thing to say. Because a game doesn't end up in a GOTY discussion has nothing to do with a quality built game. Also GOTY awards can be very bias. Look at the Game awards.. no Devil May Cry 5, Gears 5 or Luigi's Mansion 3.. why? cannot tell me those games are not quality deserving games, instead we get Control and Death Stranding nominated etc. Anyway lets digress. There are plenty of quality games out each year and yet GOTY awards always shaft those games that are more niche into sub genres like racing games. Sony use the popular genre to win these awards and so does Nintendo, its very rare we see a Racing game or FPS game win GOTY these days aside from Overwatch which took the world by storm, other wise, majority win it are 3rd person games.  

2) I dont understand your point, its clear MS focus on different type games. They never really focused on big story telling 3rd person games, in fact they don't even have one unless you count Quantum Break which isn't made by MS. Gears 5 is the first to actually achieve a campaign similar to these games and that released at the end of the X1 life. Anyway lets digress.

3) They just brought the studios, are you expecting results a year later? Honestly AA and AAA games can take more than a year to make, which goes to prove my point, if the quality of Xbox games are not up to speed than they will be releasing games on a yearly basis, but know, there games take just as long as any other AAA developer to make. The studios they brought are finishing up there current projects and are now working on there next game, this takes time, doesnt take a rocket scientist to work that out.

Also you continue to nit-pick games like Sea of thieves, Crack Down 3 and State of Decay 2. For starters, what are you comparing SoTs to? Its a solid built title and is easily a AAA built game. Crack Down 3 is a developer disaster so fair enough with that one but again not made by Xbox. State of Decay 2 is a $30 AA game made by a Indy studio. I can nit-pick games too, The Order, Knack 1 and 2, Days Gone, Concrete Genie, Drive Club, GTS, Killzone and more which also copped a lot of criticism, but hey, why compare apples to oranges. Sony dominate the 3rd person genre this gen, no question about it, but you can claim Xbox dominated the Racing genre this gen and Halo is still one of the better shooters this gen, even if the franchise it on decline. Its still reviews a lot better than Sony's Halo Killer Killzone.

1- That makes no sense. You say that a game not ending up in a goty discussion has "nothing" to do with it's quality? I would assume it's a metric, not a perfect one of course, but a metric to literally assess quality of a game compared with the competition. It doesn't mean that due to personal preference I wouldn't prefer game X over game Y, even if game Y had more critical acclaim. I'm not even talking about winning goty awards, just be in the contenders for most of the people that played them. My challenge was to go back through the generation and look for a 1st party MS studio games that were in that conversation. It's ok, I'll wait.

2- You understand my point very well, that's why you rebutted it predicting it somehow will change in the future. You go on about rumors of rumors, but the fact is, you tacitly took the point. 

3- Yep, they bought a couple studios in the last few years, that's true. So we'll see how they stack quality wise. This goes again to back up the point that quantity does not equate to quality, but I hope they do well. Like I said before, I'm really excited for Wasteland 3.

On the games comparison, I don't understand what you have against GT Sport, it's a pretty great racing sim. If something Polyphony should be releasing a lot more games. They take way too long to move from project to project, but usually the quality is top notch.

Regardless, it's absolutely obvious where the top quality first party games were this entire generation, but we don't need to discuss personal preferences.



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Delaying it to get one over on the competition sounds like BS Console Wars stuff rather than reality. Microsoft and Sony don't think that way, they're not plotting schemes against each other like this.

Whatever schedule MS has in place for releasing and distributing dev kits has surely been in place for a long time. Whether they're meeting that schedule or not only MS know.



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Technarchy said:
Given MSFT’s current business strategy, having a PC performance target provided to developers is probably sufficient to get the ball rolling.

Sony on the other hand is far more focused, console minded and less distracted by PC matters. Sony also has far more first party, exclusive titles and mature dev kits are needed to maximize performance in those games.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241435&page=1#

But looking at this seems like they are without even a target.



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Barkley said:

Delaying it to get one over on the competition sounds like BS Console Wars stuff rather than reality. Microsoft and Sony don't think that way, they're not plotting schemes against each other like this.

Whatever schedule MS has in place for releasing and distributing dev kits has surely been in place for a long time. Whether they're meeting that schedule or not only MS know.

They certainly try to be ahead of the competition and claim best machine. But through ways of either being more willing to subside the HW or being more efficient on the contracts and volume so they save some more on the cost and can have that turned either in like a 10-20% power advantage, 50 USD less price for same subside or use that saved money to grant more exclusives, invest in their studios, etc.

What they don't do is delay their launch 6 months giving the company that beat them 3 times time to get traction just to be a little stronger. Sure they could delay 2 years and have a significant more powerful HW, but would still probably be same tech so all that difference won't be that noticeable but missing on the market for 2 years will (while X1 is dwindling).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

setsunatenshi said:

1- That makes no sense. You say that a game not ending up in a goty discussion has "nothing" to do with it's quality? I would assume it's a metric, not a perfect one of course, but a metric to literally assess quality of a game compared with the competition. It doesn't mean that due to personal preference I wouldn't prefer game X over game Y, even if game Y had more critical acclaim. I'm not even talking about winning goty awards, just be in the contenders for most of the people that played them. My challenge was to go back through the generation and look for a 1st party MS studio games that were in that conversation. It's ok, I'll wait.

2- You understand my point very well, that's why you rebutted it predicting it somehow will change in the future. You go on about rumors of rumors, but the fact is, you tacitly took the point. 

3- Yep, they bought a couple studios in the last few years, that's true. So we'll see how they stack quality wise. This goes again to back up the point that quantity does not equate to quality, but I hope they do well. Like I said before, I'm really excited for Wasteland 3.

On the games comparison, I don't understand what you have against GT Sport, it's a pretty great racing sim. If something Polyphony should be releasing a lot more games. They take way too long to move from project to project, but usually the quality is top notch.

Regardless, it's absolutely obvious where the top quality first party games were this entire generation, but we don't need to discuss personal preferences.

1) There are plenty of games that don't end up in discussions for GOTY and are top quality. GOTY is dependant on a persons opinion/opinions. What I rate will be different to what you rate so that's no difference to how critics rate there GOTY. Hmm to name some games that would be GOTY discussions.. whatever you refer to discussion, but ill answer that anyway.. lets see, Ori and the Blind Forest, Forza Horizon 3 and 4, Gears 5 and I haven't even been home from work yet to look at my library of games, I am still at work writing this. (Ori isn't made by a 1st party studio however its a 1st party IP so lets not excuse that from this discussion of yours)

2) Well if I answered correctly with your point than great, you are agreeing that Xbox focus on different type of genres than Sony. Let me put it out to you that there are many type of game styles that aren't just Story Telling, Openworld 3rd person games. But lets digress.

3) A couple Studios? More like half a dozen studios. A bit of a understatement on your behalf. That's a huge difference in output, its pretty logically and obvious that 15 Studios will deliver more 1st party content than 6 Studios. If you think otherwise than I wont convince you, ill let you wait and see.

4) A very double standard post. You are trying to defend a game like GTS which was heavily criticized at launch just like the games you tend to nit-pick on, like Sea of thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crackdown 3. For the record I have nothing against GTS, I was doing what you are doing and picking games that got criticized and used them the exact same way you are with the Xbox titles. What's wrong with those Xbox games and why does GTS get a pass?

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Plot twist! Microsoft makes a 399 console and gets $100 price advantage whit a less powerful console. The $399 Xbox still gets beaten by ps5, but they manage to create a great userbase ( 70~80M?) and over 40M gamers are onboard whit gamepass for "cheap budget" gaming. All clains of "mostpowerfullconsole" are things from the past, xbox is the new house of "budget gaming" whit gamepass and clains of "over4AAAgamesayearatlauch" takes place.

And if anyone points out that Nextbox isn't significantly more powerful than X1X Microsoft will reply: "Xbox One X? Never heard. Are you a madman? Xbox One X .. pfuh.. what a silly name. There is no such thing."



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Azzanation said:
setsunatenshi said:

1- That makes no sense. You say that a game not ending up in a goty discussion has "nothing" to do with it's quality? I would assume it's a metric, not a perfect one of course, but a metric to literally assess quality of a game compared with the competition. It doesn't mean that due to personal preference I wouldn't prefer game X over game Y, even if game Y had more critical acclaim. I'm not even talking about winning goty awards, just be in the contenders for most of the people that played them. My challenge was to go back through the generation and look for a 1st party MS studio games that were in that conversation. It's ok, I'll wait.

2- You understand my point very well, that's why you rebutted it predicting it somehow will change in the future. You go on about rumors of rumors, but the fact is, you tacitly took the point. 

3- Yep, they bought a couple studios in the last few years, that's true. So we'll see how they stack quality wise. This goes again to back up the point that quantity does not equate to quality, but I hope they do well. Like I said before, I'm really excited for Wasteland 3.

On the games comparison, I don't understand what you have against GT Sport, it's a pretty great racing sim. If something Polyphony should be releasing a lot more games. They take way too long to move from project to project, but usually the quality is top notch.

Regardless, it's absolutely obvious where the top quality first party games were this entire generation, but we don't need to discuss personal preferences.

1) There are plenty of games that don't end up in discussions for GOTY and are top quality. GOTY is dependant on a persons opinion/opinions. What I rate will be different to what you rate so that's no difference to how critics rate there GOTY. Hmm to name some games that would be GOTY discussions.. whatever you refer to discussion, but ill answer that anyway.. lets see, Ori and the Blind Forest, Forza Horizon 3 and 4, Gears 5 and I haven't even been home from work yet to look at my library of games, I am still at work writing this. (Ori isn't made by a 1st party studio however its a 1st party IP so lets not excuse that from this discussion of yours)

2) Well if I answered correctly with your point than great, you are agreeing that Xbox focus on different type of genres than Sony. Let me put it out to you that there are many type of game styles that aren't just Story Telling, Openworld 3rd person games. But lets digress.

3) A couple Studios? More like half a dozen studios. A bit of a understatement on your behalf. That's a huge difference in output, its pretty logically and obvious that 15 Studios will deliver more 1st party content than 6 Studios. If you think otherwise than I wont convince you, ill let you wait and see.

4) A very double standard post. You are trying to defend a game like GTS which was heavily criticized at launch just like the games you tend to nit-pick on, like Sea of thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crackdown 3. For the record I have nothing against GTS, I was doing what you are doing and picking games that got criticized and used them the exact same way you are with the Xbox titles. What's wrong with those Xbox games and why does GTS get a pass?

1- It should tell you a lot if the general consensus in videogame media is one of not including a single Xbox 1st party studio game in any of the Goty discussions for the entire generation. I try to stay away from my personal views on it, but it's pretty clear to anyone being honest with themselves that Xbox shat the bed this entire gen in their first party output, especially when compared to Sony WWS. I mean, come on...

2- You didn't present any correct rebuttal to my point, you moved the goalposts. Your rebuttal was "maybe they'll do better in the future". Great, so my point stands then.

3- Again, quantity does not equate to quality, and this was the crux of the entire argument. Obviously with more studios they will deliver more content, not necessarily better content. What's there to argue here? And they definitely haven't delivered great quality during this entire gen, when compared to their main competitors.

4- I don't really see any double standard. You're trying to compare absolute crap games with GTS? There's plenty of reasons to be disappointed with Polyphony in the last gens, but quality is not it. We're talking about 3 first party Xbox games with plenty of development time (at 2 of those being AAA titles), all of them scoring on the 60's on metacritic. Not to mention the huge support that has been given to GT Sport since deployment, the game is gigantic by now. So yeah, better think again.