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deskpro2k3 on 22 November 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
If a Democrat were in office and did the same thing Trump did then Republicans would be doing the same shit Democrats are. And just like we currently have Republicans crying like bitches about how unfair the process is and etc etc you’d have Democrats crying the same shit. As bad as they want to appear superior to one another they are just different sides of the same shit smeared coin.

Trump fucked up. Not surprising, he’s literally a piece of shit.

PortisheadBiscuit said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
If a Democrat were in office and did the same thing Trump did then Republicans would be doing the same shit Democrats are. And just like we currently have Republicans crying like bitches about how unfair the process is and etc etc you’d have Democrats crying the same shit. As bad as they want to appear superior to one another they are just different sides of the same shit smeared coin.

Trump fucked up. Not surprising, he’s literally a piece of shit.

Exactly! 

Nope, the Democrats will condemn it and make them resign, just like what they did to Al Franken over something a lot less compared to Trump.

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DryHeat on 22 November 2019
Hiku said:
aiwass said:

Favor = "A gracious, friendly, or obliging act that is freely granted."
Quid pro quo = "Something that is given in return for something else or accepted as a reciprocal part of an exchange."

The only way you can make this bullshit work is if you want to rewrite history and redefine what words actually mean. This whole thing is a stretch, but if you want to make your case you're going to have to do better than that.

You forgot the word 'though'.

Though = "indicating that a factor qualifies or imposes restrictions on what was said previously".

Indicating that the aid was reliant on the 'favor'.

Did you not read that he wanted to BUY more Javelin missiles? If they were buying them, that wasn't related to the "aid". 

Bottom line: it's absurd to say that Trump wanted to withhold aid until they "dug up dirt on Biden" but never actually told anyone of his intentions, most notably the Ukrainians. I can't believe people who appear to be intelligent in other ways can believe such fantasy. I guess that's what blind hate will do to you.

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DryHeat on 22 November 2019

In case you don't know, Barr is currently investigating the origins of the Russia probe (many criminal charges are expected, one leaked out today already). Barr asked Trump to ask Zelensky for his help in this matter. It's as simple as that.

You can read more about the Ukrainian meddling here: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

You are equivocating all over the place, partly because you don't understand the context and back-story.

I'll say it again, not one single witness said that Trump told him or her that aid was contingent on "digging up dirt on Biden". That is what the Democrats claimed, and that is what they did not prove. That's why the articles of impeachment will be a farce that get laughed out of the Senate, and haunt Democrats in swing districts next year.

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DryHeat on 23 November 2019
SpokenTruth said:
DryHeat said:

In case you don't know, Barr is currently investigating the origins of the Russia probe (many criminal charges are expected, one leaked out today already). Barr asked Trump to ask Zelensky for his help in this matter. It's as simple as that.

You can read more about the Ukrainian meddling here: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

You are equivocating all over the place, partly because you don't understand the context and back-story.

I'll say it again, not one single witness said that Trump told him or her that aid was contingent on "digging up dirt on Biden". That is what the Democrats claimed, and that is what they did not prove. That's why the articles of impeachment will be a farce that get laughed out of the Senate, and haunt Democrats in swing districts next year.

You, much like impeachment inquiry sessions, are missing something.

Contempt of Congress - 2 U.S.C. § 192 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 2. The Congress § 192. Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers.

Trump, the White House and several others have violated 2 U.S.C. § 192.  This will be included as an Article of Impeachment for Obstruction of Justice.  It requires no witnesses and no testimony.  The evidence is all factual documentation.  And for the Senate to ignore this article would in itself be a violation of multiple codes meaning each senator themselves would be open for impeachment.

I don't think you understand just how much of a corner they have backed themselves into. The failure to comply with the congressional subpoenas for testimony and documentation was an even greater screw up than the actual bribery. 

According to the constitution, the executive branch is entitled to keep some things confidential at the discretion of the president. Always has, always will. It has to be that way. Trump would be gutting the office of president for himself and all future presidents if he ceded all power and authority to congress. 

If Democrats want to compel people to testify, they can take them to court. That is the remedy that congress has, not a phoney charge of "obstruction".

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jason1637 on 23 November 2019

He did something bad. Congress is responsible for hold the President accountable.



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DryHeat on 23 November 2019

Can you show me the part in the call where Trump says he is withholding aid until they "dig up dirt"? Speculation is worthless when you are attempting to remove a duly elected president. Only cold hard facts will suffice.

Oh, and by the way, Democrats are not immune from being investigated, especially when you are crooked as Biden and his son.