Darwinianevolution said:
In terms of graphics and presentation. From what I've seen, while the game is not broken by any means, it would have needed more time in the oven to iron out in terms of graphics and presentation. And that's leaving the content cuts aside. |
Ah I understand and agree, just was confused if this was referring to the sales
Qwark said:
They would probably be much better games if Nintendo did make them. They do publish and pay for the development of those games though. So if Nintendo really wants to, they can demand from gamefreak to put more effort into the game then what they did. Nonetheless the games print money, so Nintendo probably will not ask them too. |
Im not sure to what extent Nintendo is involved in the development process, but I believe Game Freak has the final word on what the game will be. Nintendo could ask them to do better, but I don't think they could demand better quality. Its hard to say. I mean what is better quality when the games constantly sell over 10 million? What could they do to make the games sell even more at this point?
Qwark said:
They would probably be much better games if Nintendo did make them. They do publish and pay for the development of those games though. So if Nintendo really wants to, they can demand from gamefreak to put more effort into the game then what they did. Nonetheless the games print money, so Nintendo probably will not ask them too. |
I mean from a business perspective I can see why Nintendo doesn't get involved. The games print money every time.
| Marth said: The boycott worked! |
Hahaha! Thanks for that =)
This is the post of the day =)
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KLXVER said:
Im not sure to what extent Nintendo is involved in the development process, but I believe Game Freak has the final word on what the game will be. Nintendo could ask them to do better, but I don't think they could demand better quality. Its hard to say. I mean what is better quality when the games constantly sell over 10 million? What could they do to make the games sell even more at this point? |
This is an interesting gen..If Sw/Sh sell close to 20 million (maybe around 18 million or so), then I would presume that it would be more than worth it for Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPCi. Though I don't know if the long-rumored D/P remakes are being made at this time to release next year.
Even then, I don't know how they can manage the game releases moving forward. There are so many variables beyond the typical game development cycle as Pokemon is the biggest multimedia IP in the world. It comes at a cost, unfortunately, as merch, TCG, anime, movies, etc. are impacted by the games (maybe less on the live-action movies and more on the anime movies). Plus, I don't know if there is anyone within Nintendo who is familiar with Game Freak and its staff as Iwata was back in the day. Who is familiar with working with Satoshi Tajiri, Masuda, Ohomri, and Co.?
The constant projects might have dug GF in as HD development is more costly and time consuming than the 3DS. I don't know if simply hiring more people would be the answer as it also takes time for new hires to get integrated with GF's culture and work environment, just like any institutional job.
| Amnesia said: 65% more but what was the install base of the Switch at that time ? 24 millions if I estimate it roughly. So it is a bit weaker today for Sw/Sh |
It's 65% stronger. There is no modifier for success based on smaller userbases.
Additionally, even if you did want to make a parallel comparison, parallel sales velocity is not an accurate way to appreciate sales velocity.
For example, when Breath of the Wild sold 925,000 on a userbase of 906,000 consoles, that doesn't mean that Pokemon is less successful than Breath of the Wild because if it fails to sell 103% the userbase, or ~46,000,000 during the first month. As userbase increases, the percent of userbase who will purchase a title drops. If Breath of the Wild launched today and Switch sales were the same, chances are it would be a lot higher than 925K during the first month, but it would be much closer to the 925K than to 46M.
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Kai_Mao said:
This is an interesting gen..If Sw/Sh sell close to 20 million (maybe around 18 million or so), then I would presume that it would be more than worth it for Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPCi. Though I don't know if the long-rumored D/P remakes are being made at this time to release next year. Even then, I don't know how they can manage the game releases moving forward. There are so many variables beyond the typical game development cycle as Pokemon is the biggest multimedia IP in the world. It comes at a cost, unfortunately, as merch, TCG, anime, movies, etc. are impacted by the games (maybe less on the live-action movies and more on the anime movies). Plus, I don't know if there is anyone within Nintendo who is familiar with Game Freak and its staff as Iwata was back in the day. Who is familiar with working with Satoshi Tajiri, Masuda, Ohomri, and Co.? The constant projects might have dug GF in as HD development is more costly and time consuming than the 3DS. I don't know if simply hiring more people would be the answer as it also takes time for new hires to get integrated with GF's culture and work environment, just like any institutional job. |
Isnt the current president of Nintendo a former Pokémon Company guy?
| Kai_Mao said: This is an interesting gen..If Sw/Sh sell close to 20 million (maybe around 18 million or so), then I would presume that it would be more than worth it for Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPCi. Though I don't know if the long-rumored D/P remakes are being made at this time to release next year. Even then, I don't know how they can manage the game releases moving forward. There are so many variables beyond the typical game development cycle as Pokemon is the biggest multimedia IP in the world. It comes at a cost, unfortunately, as merch, TCG, anime, movies, etc. are impacted by the games (maybe less on the live-action movies and more on the anime movies). Plus, I don't know if there is anyone within Nintendo who is familiar with Game Freak and its staff as Iwata was back in the day. Who is familiar with working with Satoshi Tajiri, Masuda, Ohomri, and Co.? The constant projects might have dug GF in as HD development is more costly and time consuming than the 3DS. I don't know if simply hiring more people would be the answer as it also takes time for new hires to get integrated with GF's culture and work environment, just like any institutional job. |
Honestly how bad would it really be if the anime and stuff started without the game having released yet? At the very least they could pledge free updates. While it's certainly true Pokemon development isn't typical, surely there's options and more that can be done to improve quality.
The MK7 team had help from Retro, BotW help from Monolith, so I think if Nintendo did a similar thing with Game Freak it should help a lot.
Kai_Mao said:
This is an interesting gen..If Sw/Sh sell close to 20 million (maybe around 18 million or so), then I would presume that it would be more than worth it for Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPCi. Though I don't know if the long-rumored D/P remakes are being made at this time to release next year. Even then, I don't know how they can manage the game releases moving forward. There are so many variables beyond the typical game development cycle as Pokemon is the biggest multimedia IP in the world. It comes at a cost, unfortunately, as merch, TCG, anime, movies, etc. are impacted by the games (maybe less on the live-action movies and more on the anime movies). Plus, I don't know if there is anyone within Nintendo who is familiar with Game Freak and its staff as Iwata was back in the day. Who is familiar with working with Satoshi Tajiri, Masuda, Ohomri, and Co.? The constant projects might have dug GF in as HD development is more costly and time consuming than the 3DS. I don't know if simply hiring more people would be the answer as it also takes time for new hires to get integrated with GF's culture and work environment, just like any institutional job. |
By the way, what happened to Genius Sonority? They are the makers of Colosseum, XD and Battle Revolution, the only studio that's made a propper Pokemon game outside of Game Freak. Why couldn't they help? What are they doing right now?
KLXVER said:
Isnt the current president of Nintendo a former Pokémon Company guy? |
Furukawa was an outside director of the Pokemon Company. Not sure what that means or what that entailed for him.
Darwinianevolution said:
By the way, what happened to Genius Sonority? They are the makers of Colosseum, XD and Battle Revolution, the only studio that's made a propper Pokemon game outside of Game Freak. Why couldn't they help? What are they doing right now? |
Idk about Genius Sonority. They were last working on Pokemon Shuffle in 2015 and The New Denpa Men in 2017 according to their Wiki page.
Lonely_Dolphin said:
Honestly how bad would it really be if the anime and stuff started without the game having released yet? At the very least they could pledge free updates. While it's certainly true Pokemon development isn't typical, surely there's options and more that can be done to improve quality. The MK7 team had help from Retro, BotW help from Monolith, so I think if Nintendo did a similar thing with Game Freak it should help a lot. |
Idk the answer for your question in regards to the anime and stuff. That's something in relation to production and planning and Idk how that works for the anime if the games and other products are involved. Unfortunately, none of us work in these fields or truly understand how much the staff go through in developing the projects for a franchise like Pokemon. And budget and time are something to consider as well. All sounds easy right?
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