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VAMatt said:

The prosperity you speak of back then may well be achievable by the Chinese system.  But, it's not something any reasonable, modern citizen of planet Earth would consider a prosperous society.  Yes, the Romans were victorious in many battles, so the warrior class and elites of society were able to rape many women and take many slaves.  They were also able to pillage all kinds of resources from the conquered people.  But, the vast majority of people lived in relative squalor. 

I don't doubt that the Chinese system will be able to bring about a good life for the elites.  They'll be able to rape, murder, and steal to their heart's content, while the average person is unable to find clear air to breathe while peddling their bike to their sweatshop gig.  

@Bold It's getting harder everyday to make that argument as China uses it's concerted effort to technologically bridge the gap against western civilizations and in some cases surpass them like we see with 5G ... 

How are we supposed to count on the free world when they are making a fatal mistake of becoming reliant on strategically important technology from a hostile foreign nation ?

There is always going to be elites and the lower classes. That has never been the problem since elites can be potentially used to make big contributions to the development of a civilization. For the Romans, it was militaristic elites who were able to make the continued expansion of their empire. For the current Chinese state, it is their technocratic elites who were able to create an industrial powerhouse state ... 

Once the Chinese crack the secret behind genetic manipulation and use it on their public, life will be undoubtedly superior for their 'oppressed' demographics even compared to the citizens of the free world ... 

Ka-pi96 said:

You mean... perpetually in the shadow of Europe? Sure, as a European I hope for that too!

You mean the same Europe that's subscribing to Huawei who's an arm of Chinese intelligence ?



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China being even bigger douchebags, and when it comes to gaming? Sounds about right.



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hunter_alien said:

Look, nobody is questioning the heavy handedness or brutality that is being used on a daily basis, but let's not point fingers at China, when there are plenty of mutilations going on in the west as well. Or we simply like to ignore the same sittuations in Spain and France, and let's not forget military grade responses in places like Ferguson, when even the slightest form of dissent is shown a full-blown military response. Also, we do not have concentration camps for muslims, as we do n ot need them. We let our allies keep them on regional lockdown in misserable conditions, so we can pretend that our hands are clean.

For everybody who thinks that I am misrepresenting the xenophobic feelings towards chines, or what that means, I am not. I am well aware what it means and what it entails but honestly with the current sittuation in Hong Kong most people call it a them vs us (as the freedom loving part of the world) sittuation. Them being the chinese government, whch like it or not , has the support of the mainland population. Remember, a government without popular support cannot last, and China has plenty of it, and no matter what people are preaching, it has one of the most stable governments since the cold war. Is it hard to grasp it from our point of view? Sure, we were raised on different cultural values.As somebody who was raised in a pos-communist country (Romania) I know how much freedom means, and I value it dearly.

But please do tell about your freedom concerns to those close to one billion people who were taken out from complete poverty in the last half century, and explain to them how horrible their sittuation is, now that they can actually afford somewhat decent living conditions. I bet they even know that the coun try is not perfect, but when will a 1.3 billion country ever be?

Look, if trying to be somewhat ojective makes me the devil's advocate, so be it, but I really do wish that people would not treat this sittuation so extremely one-sided without giving it even the slightest benefit of doubt. I think we could all learn a bit from doing so.

You're certainly correct that there is all kinds of rights violating going on in the west.  But, you can't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.  This thread is about China.  So, people are talking about the bad stuff happening in China because that's the whole point of this thread.  

As for treating it "one-sided"..... You seem to be suggesting that we should all take a minute to look at it from the eyes of the oppressors.  But, no, we shouldn't.  Oppressive government is objectively bad, and cannot be excused for *any reason*.  It doesn't matter if they think they're helping people. They're nothing but ruthless authoritarians. There is nothing to be learned (except maybe how to be a scumbag and still get people to like you).  

I think I get where you're trying to go with this, and get your point, but you're contradicting yourself here.

In the first statement you're basically saying, 'this thread is about China, stop bringing up examples that don't have to do with China.'

In the second statement, you're basically saying, 'stop focusing on China, pay attention to other examples that don't have to do with China.'

You can't legitimately say that, 'you can't justify bad behavior by pointing out other past bad behavior', because then what you're also saying is that, 'you can't justify good behavior by pointing out other past good behavior'. The past and it's trials and tribulations are what let us know the difference between many good and bad things. If you're going to use a certain type of evidence for one, you have to be able to use it for the other, or neither.

There's also a point to be made, that even the most just and highly respected of nations, have done terrible things at times, yet that doesn't make them atrocious overall over time, especially in their own people's eyes. The main reason why some other countries want nukes, is because some countries already have nukes and are extremely powerful because of that. That is justified, because if nukes were so bad, then why should anyone have them period? Nukes have already been dropped before and we know the horror of that, so why have them today, unless you ever plan to recreate that event, even if used only as defensive retaliation as they were before?

Unfortunately it's not that cut and dry. While some things would seem more clear about what is good and bad, there are plenty of things that fall in the grey area, and the people of every nation have to decide for themselves what they will and won't allow.

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I just wonder what publishers are gonna do now. They bet all in on china and the government just drop the axe on them. While publishers never cared for how much time we spend on a game, they really cared how much money we spend and now theres a cap. So whales are officially dead in china. Anybody knows what % of whales are over 18? Hopefully this now means publishers will stop pandering to the Chinese market.



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eva01beserk said:
I just wonder what publishers are gonna do now. They bet all in on china and the government just drop the axe on them. While publishers never cared for how much time we spend on a game, they really cared how much money we spend and now theres a cap. So whales are officially dead in china. Anybody knows what % of whales are over 18? Hopefully this now means publishers will stop pandering to the Chinese market.

I think you might be overstating the impact this will have on publishers.  Certainly, it isn't good for them. But, most whales that are under 18 already have the sign off from Mom and/or Dad.  Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to spend whale money.  If their parents support their gaming that way, it seems likely that they'd allow the kid to use their info to sign in to games to get around the limits for minors.  

Also, while I have no hard evidence to back this up, my guess is that most whales are in the 16-22ish age range (I'm not sure when people start working in China.  But, I'm guessing middle class people likely start in their teens.)  They have their own money, and not a lot of responsibilities to spend that money on.  So, they blow it on loot boxes and cosmetics.  If I'm right about that, this only impacts a fraction of the whales anyway.  



outlawauron said:
JRPGfan said:

The problem is china owes so much of the USA's debt, and keeps lending money to the USA, who has a consumerismist lifestyle, that would have to change drastically if you did as you suggested. The US would litterly have to change its ways (of life) for what your saying to be doable.

Im scared to think what the world economy would look like after such a thing too.
If the US and China both give each other huge bloodly wounds, and hurt one anothers economy...... what happends to the them? the rest of the world?

Eh, it's a large number but still in the 10-12% of total debt. US citizens owe a vast majority of its debt.

I'm not sure advocating for an actual trade war (rather than the small jabs the US is currently exchanging with China) would be very good. Trump certainly wouldn't do it before an election.

Havnt been on for a few days.... Saw this and googled it.
Aparently its abit over 19%, going by thoughtco.com & google result listed 1st.

Its alot of money.



konnichiwa said:
VAMatt said:

Are you trolling, or do you honestly believe that it's good for governments to legally limit the amount of time people can spend doing a peaceful, victimless activity?

But this is asia, it isn't that victimless.  We literally had another story this week that a teen died:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7650671/Video-game-addict-17-slumped-dead-computer-Thailand.html

South Korea also have/had a similar measure because I remember very well that a child was angry because he could not play a game because of the time.

Video game addiction exist but in my experience it is limited in the West while it isn't that hard to find horrible cases in asia. 

I don't like the measure but something must be done but no goverment has the right answer, especially not an answer gamers on a gamer forum will like =p. 

In this case, the child just continues to play on his parents account after 90 minutes and if something happens like spending a ton of money the parents are liable

Admittedly I didn't read the article because I am no going to whitelist their site but how is a Stroke the fault of a Video Game?  Correlation is not causation last I checked ... If I missed something that explained it in the article please correct me.



fatslob-:O said:
VAMatt said:

The prosperity you speak of back then may well be achievable by the Chinese system.  But, it's not something any reasonable, modern citizen of planet Earth would consider a prosperous society.  Yes, the Romans were victorious in many battles, so the warrior class and elites of society were able to rape many women and take many slaves.  They were also able to pillage all kinds of resources from the conquered people.  But, the vast majority of people lived in relative squalor. 

I don't doubt that the Chinese system will be able to bring about a good life for the elites.  They'll be able to rape, murder, and steal to their heart's content, while the average person is unable to find clear air to breathe while peddling their bike to their sweatshop gig.  

@Bold It's getting harder everyday to make that argument as China uses it's concerted effort to technologically bridge the gap against western civilizations and in some cases surpass them like we see with 5G ... 

How are we supposed to count on the free world when they are making a fatal mistake of becoming reliant on strategically important technology from a hostile foreign nation ?

There is always going to be elites and the lower classes. That has never been the problem since elites can be potentially used to make big contributions to the development of a civilization. For the Romans, it was militaristic elites who were able to make the continued expansion of their empire. For the current Chinese state, it is their technocratic elites who were able to create an industrial powerhouse state ... 

Once the Chinese crack the secret behind genetic manipulation and use it on their public, life will be undoubtedly superior for their 'oppressed' demographics even compared to the citizens of the free world ... 

Ka-pi96 said:

You mean... perpetually in the shadow of Europe? Sure, as a European I hope for that too!

You mean the same Europe that's subscribing to Huawei who's an arm of Chinese intelligence ?

Not disagreeing with all your points but don't you think it more likely they will steal said secrets like they have so much else? Do you not see them as a problem or are you just playing devil's advocate?