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VAMatt said:
hunter_alien said:
Good This is actually a pretty decent way to cut down on game addiction. It might seem like it's a lot, but in all honesty, having almost 14 hours of online gaming time a week is more than enough for a child IMO.

Are you trolling, or do you honestly believe that it's good for governments to legally limit the amount of time people can spend doing a peaceful, victimless activity?

But this is asia, it isn't that victimless.  We literally had another story this week that a teen died:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7650671/Video-game-addict-17-slumped-dead-computer-Thailand.html

South Korea also have/had a similar measure because I remember very well that a child was angry because he could not play a game because of the time.

Video game addiction exist but in my experience it is limited in the West while it isn't that hard to find horrible cases in asia. 

I don't like the measure but something must be done but no goverment has the right answer, especially not an answer gamers on a gamer forum will like =p. 

In this case, the child just continues to play on his parents account after 90 minutes and if something happens like spending a ton of money the parents are liable






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konnichiwa said:
VAMatt said:

Are you trolling, or do you honestly believe that it's good for governments to legally limit the amount of time people can spend doing a peaceful, victimless activity?

But this is asia, it isn't that victimless.  We literally had another story this week that a teen died:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7650671/Video-game-addict-17-slumped-dead-computer-Thailand.html

South Korea also have/had a similar measure because I remember very well that a child was angry because he could not play a game because of the time.

Video game addiction exist but in my experience it is limited in the West while it isn't that hard to find horrible cases in asia. 

I don't like the measure but something must be done but no goverment has the right answer, especially not an answer gamers on a gamer forum will like =p. 

In this case, the child just continues to play on his parents account after 90 minutes and if something happens like spending a ton of money the parents are liable

Are you suggesting that Asian people should be treated differently than westerners because a kid died while gaming?   

Life is not problem free or risk free.  Certainly, some people play video games too much.  Some other people spend so much time skateboarding, playing basketball, or fishing, that they neglect family and work obligations and mess their lives up.  It does not then follow that there is a societal problem, and it certainly doesn't follow that government needs to get involved to "solve" it.  

If there is a problem with video game addiction (I do not know that there is, but the purposes of this discussion I'll grant that point), government certainly can't solve it. Governments have shown us time and time again that they are absolutely terrible at dealing with addiction.  But, even if they could, it still wouldn't make it okay for the CCP to trample on the basic human rights of Chinese citizens by monitoring their peaceful leisure activities inside of their own homes.  



VAMatt said:
fatslob-:O said:
People can decry China for all they want but like it or not they are on progress to represent the beacon of technology whereas the western world is on the brink of being effectively left behind ...

China has a society that is intrinsically of higher trust while western social systems have lower trust which is why democracy, rule of law, and privacy are all overrated to them ...

There's a very good reason why the CCP have the "Mandate of Heaven" because the people believe that they can restore China to it's former glory ...

That's all well and good.  But, we know objectively that communism, or whatever you want to call their current hybrid-but-still-super-authoritarian system, can't bring about prosperity in the long run.  So, there isn't any glory waiting at the end of their 100, or 1000, or 10000 year time horizon.  There's just oppression, suffering, and indignity on the way, and at the destination.   

Exactly.

Not only that, but their "vision" of "returning to former glory" is wholly subjective, as well as fundamentally flawed to it's core, so I'm not sure what he;'s babbling about, as if there was any point to that to begin with. 

Hell, China built an AI, then asked it's view on communism. The AI cited Communism as flawed, and you know what they did to the AI?. They shut it down, because when you don't agree with China and communism, you get the boot, that's how they operate. No former glory needed, just a crummy, flawed country.

Also being "ahead", in surveillance tech, and tech to generally profile your entire life, isn't exactly what everyone wants in their lives, so there's not much to "leave behind" in regards to that line of tech. Wake me up when China makes GITS style prosthetic bodies, totally not controlled by their Gov, and work 100% well, with hardly any "made in China" style faults, then we'll talk. 



                                       

VAMatt said:

That's all well and good.  But, we know objectively that communism, or whatever you want to call their current hybrid-but-still-super-authoritarian system, can't bring about prosperity in the long run.  So, there isn't any glory waiting at the end of their 100, or 1000, or 10000 year time horizon.  There's just oppression, suffering, and indignity on the way, and at the destination.   

@Bold History has shown this not to be true ... 

The practice of widespread universal suffrage has existed for less than 200 years while the rest of humanity was effectively under so called "authoritarian rule". The Roman empire and the former British empire were not in any way equivalent to the "free world" as we knew it today and yet they were highly prosperous nations for their time which lasted for centuries so as far as I'm concerned an authoritarian system can bring about prosperity in the "long run" that you speak of ... 

It is not 'ideology' that makes one nation succeed over another, it is the 'features' that are important to a nations success. In CIV terms, China has very strong foundations to emerge as both economically and technologically victorious and if their policies including this one ends up helping them produce more engineers/scientists in the end then it is arguably a success ... 

It is also not just surveillance technology where China is succeeding in no matter how much people here want that to be the case since they are globally leading in wireless telecommunications infrastructure as well with Huawei ... 



fatslob-:O said:
VAMatt said:

That's all well and good.  But, we know objectively that communism, or whatever you want to call their current hybrid-but-still-super-authoritarian system, can't bring about prosperity in the long run.  So, there isn't any glory waiting at the end of their 100, or 1000, or 10000 year time horizon.  There's just oppression, suffering, and indignity on the way, and at the destination.   

@Bold History has shown this not to be true ... 

The practice of widespread universal suffrage has existed for less than 200 years while the rest of humanity was effectively under so called "authoritarian rule". The Roman empire and the former British empire were not in any way equivalent to the "free world" as we knew it today and yet they were highly prosperous nations for their time which lasted for centuries so as far as I'm concerned an authoritarian system can bring about prosperity in the "long run" that you speak of ... 

It is not 'ideology' that makes one nation succeed over another, it is the 'features' that are important to a nations success. In CIV terms, China has very strong foundations to emerge as both economically and technologically victorious and if their policies including this one ends up helping them produce more engineers/scientists in the end then it is arguably a success ... 

It is also not just surveillance technology where China is succeeding in no matter how much people here want that to be the case since they are globally leading in wireless telecommunications infrastructure as well with Huawei ... 

The prosperity you speak of back then may well be achievable by the Chinese system.  But, it's not something any reasonable, modern citizen of planet Earth would consider a prosperous society.  Yes, the Romans were victorious in many battles, so the warrior class and elites of society were able to rape many women and take many slaves.  They were also able to pillage all kinds of resources from the conquered people.  But, the vast majority of people lived in relative squalor. 

I don't doubt that the Chinese system will be able to bring about a good life for the elites.  They'll be able to rape, murder, and steal to their heart's content, while the average person is unable to find clear air to breathe while peddling their bike to their sweatshop gig.  



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DarthMetalliCube said:
hunter_alien said:
Good This is actually a pretty decent way to cut down on game addiction. It might seem like it's a lot, but in all honesty, having almost 14 hours of online gaming time a week is more than enough for a child IMO.

Off-topic: the amount of people who are spewing garbage about and against China, without knowing a single fact, is just daunting. Some of the garbage that people are peddling are downright xenophobic. What has this site become?

Ah the inevitable devil's advocate.

I think you're the one a bit misguided about the CCP. This is not about China as a whole or its people, it's about an oppressive Totaliitarian government who literally beats and shoots dissenters in the streets, they've shot a woman's eye out for protesting for Hong Kong, they keep Chinese muslims in literal concentration camps, they keep a creepy level of tabs on their own population and monitor them, and now apparently they are even acting like the dictatorial parents of their own population by putting heavy restrictions on their gaming time. This is straight up Dystopian and it's creepy. The only thing I'm "phobic" of is totalitarianism, of a government who can't even grasp the simple concept of liberty, "live and let live," or hell, basic human rights for that matter - no matter WHERE it crops up.

Look, nobody is questioning the heavy handedness or brutality that is being used on a daily basis, but let's not point fingers at China, when there are plenty of mutilations going on in the west as well. Or we simply like to ignore the same sittuations in Spain and France, and let's not forget military grade responses in places like Ferguson, when even the slightest form of dissent is shown a full-blown military response. Also, we do not have concentration camps for muslims, as we do n ot need them. We let our allies keep them on regional lockdown in misserable conditions, so we can pretend that our hands are clean.

For everybody who thinks that I am misrepresenting the xenophobic feelings towards chines, or what that means, I am not. I am well aware what it means and what it entails but honestly with the current sittuation in Hong Kong most people call it a them vs us (as the freedom loving part of the world) sittuation. Them being the chinese government, whch like it or not , has the support of the mainland population. Remember, a government without popular support cannot last, and China has plenty of it, and no matter what people are preaching, it has one of the most stable governments since the cold war. Is it hard to grasp it from our point of view? Sure, we were raised on different cultural values.As somebody who was raised in a pos-communist country (Romania) I know how much freedom means, and I value it dearly.

But please do tell about your freedom concerns to those close to one billion people who were taken out from complete poverty in the last half century, and explain to them how horrible their sittuation is, now that they can actually afford somewhat decent living conditions. I bet they even know that the coun try is not perfect, but when will a 1.3 billion country ever be?

Look, if trying to be somewhat ojective makes me the devil's advocate, so be it, but I really do wish that people would not treat this sittuation so extremely one-sided without giving it even the slightest benefit of doubt. I think we could all learn a bit from doing so.



hunter_alien said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Ah the inevitable devil's advocate.

I think you're the one a bit misguided about the CCP. This is not about China as a whole or its people, it's about an oppressive Totaliitarian government who literally beats and shoots dissenters in the streets, they've shot a woman's eye out for protesting for Hong Kong, they keep Chinese muslims in literal concentration camps, they keep a creepy level of tabs on their own population and monitor them, and now apparently they are even acting like the dictatorial parents of their own population by putting heavy restrictions on their gaming time. This is straight up Dystopian and it's creepy. The only thing I'm "phobic" of is totalitarianism, of a government who can't even grasp the simple concept of liberty, "live and let live," or hell, basic human rights for that matter - no matter WHERE it crops up.

Look, nobody is questioning the heavy handedness or brutality that is being used on a daily basis, but let's not point fingers at China, when there are plenty of mutilations going on in the west as well. Or we simply like to ignore the same sittuations in Spain and France, and let's not forget military grade responses in places like Ferguson, when even the slightest form of dissent is shown a full-blown military response. Also, we do not have concentration camps for muslims, as we do n ot need them. We let our allies keep them on regional lockdown in misserable conditions, so we can pretend that our hands are clean.

For everybody who thinks that I am misrepresenting the xenophobic feelings towards chines, or what that means, I am not. I am well aware what it means and what it entails but honestly with the current sittuation in Hong Kong most people call it a them vs us (as the freedom loving part of the world) sittuation. Them being the chinese government, whch like it or not , has the support of the mainland population. Remember, a government without popular support cannot last, and China has plenty of it, and no matter what people are preaching, it has one of the most stable governments since the cold war. Is it hard to grasp it from our point of view? Sure, we were raised on different cultural values.As somebody who was raised in a pos-communist country (Romania) I know how much freedom means, and I value it dearly.

But please do tell about your freedom concerns to those close to one billion people who were taken out from complete poverty in the last half century, and explain to them how horrible their sittuation is, now that they can actually afford somewhat decent living conditions. I bet they even know that the coun try is not perfect, but when will a 1.3 billion country ever be?

Look, if trying to be somewhat ojective makes me the devil's advocate, so be it, but I really do wish that people would not treat this sittuation so extremely one-sided without giving it even the slightest benefit of doubt. I think we could all learn a bit from doing so.

Literally everything you just said about China could also be said about Nazi Germany (well, not the 1.3 billion people, but other than that)...

But hey, just keep saying "good" and posting smiley faces about them. I mean, what's the worst that could happen...

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fatslob-:O said:
People can decry China for all they want but like it or not they are on progress to represent the beacon of technology whereas the western world is on the brink of being effectively left behind ...

China has a society that is intrinsically of higher trust while western social systems have lower trust which is why democracy, rule of law, and privacy are all overrated to them ...

There's a very good reason why the CCP have the "Mandate of Heaven" because the people believe that they can restore China to it's former glory ...

You mean... perpetually in the shadow of Europe? Sure, as a European I hope for that too!



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

It's not that I'm happy about the restriction of online gaming, but this new regulation is likely to come at just the right time for Nintendo, who will soon be releasing the Switch and Switch Lite in China that was approved just a few weeks ago. The first game, New Super Mario Bros. U has also been approved and will probably come in a bundle.

China is all about smartphone and online play. Home consoles are not very popular but with the Switch that can be used as a handheld and offers quality offline experiences it might get a lot of attention.

I once was addicted too to an online game. Sometimes I stood up in the night to log in and do something. Online games can be very addictive, as you don't want to miss out anything.

Now, since I changed to offline games, I'm just relaxed and have a good sleep lol



hunter_alien said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Ah the inevitable devil's advocate.

I think you're the one a bit misguided about the CCP. This is not about China as a whole or its people, it's about an oppressive Totaliitarian government who literally beats and shoots dissenters in the streets, they've shot a woman's eye out for protesting for Hong Kong, they keep Chinese muslims in literal concentration camps, they keep a creepy level of tabs on their own population and monitor them, and now apparently they are even acting like the dictatorial parents of their own population by putting heavy restrictions on their gaming time. This is straight up Dystopian and it's creepy. The only thing I'm "phobic" of is totalitarianism, of a government who can't even grasp the simple concept of liberty, "live and let live," or hell, basic human rights for that matter - no matter WHERE it crops up.

Look, nobody is questioning the heavy handedness or brutality that is being used on a daily basis, but let's not point fingers at China, when there are plenty of mutilations going on in the west as well. Or we simply like to ignore the same sittuations in Spain and France, and let's not forget military grade responses in places like Ferguson, when even the slightest form of dissent is shown a full-blown military response. Also, we do not have concentration camps for muslims, as we do n ot need them. We let our allies keep them on regional lockdown in misserable conditions, so we can pretend that our hands are clean.

For everybody who thinks that I am misrepresenting the xenophobic feelings towards chines, or what that means, I am not. I am well aware what it means and what it entails but honestly with the current sittuation in Hong Kong most people call it a them vs us (as the freedom loving part of the world) sittuation. Them being the chinese government, whch like it or not , has the support of the mainland population. Remember, a government without popular support cannot last, and China has plenty of it, and no matter what people are preaching, it has one of the most stable governments since the cold war. Is it hard to grasp it from our point of view? Sure, we were raised on different cultural values.As somebody who was raised in a pos-communist country (Romania) I know how much freedom means, and I value it dearly.

But please do tell about your freedom concerns to those close to one billion people who were taken out from complete poverty in the last half century, and explain to them how horrible their sittuation is, now that they can actually afford somewhat decent living conditions. I bet they even know that the coun try is not perfect, but when will a 1.3 billion country ever be?

Look, if trying to be somewhat ojective makes me the devil's advocate, so be it, but I really do wish that people would not treat this sittuation so extremely one-sided without giving it even the slightest benefit of doubt. I think we could all learn a bit from doing so.

You're certainly correct that there is all kinds of rights violating going on in the west.  But, you can't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.  This thread is about China.  So, people are talking about the bad stuff happening in China because that's the whole point of this thread.  

As for treating it "one-sided"..... You seem to be suggesting that we should all take a minute to look at it from the eyes of the oppressors.  But, no, we shouldn't.  Oppressive government is objectively bad, and cannot be excused for *any reason*.  It doesn't matter if they think they're helping people. They're nothing but ruthless authoritarians. There is nothing to be learned (except maybe how to be a scumbag and still get people to like you).