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RingoGaSuki said:
The newest information seems to indicate that the GTS has been cut from Sw/Sh too, and is likely going to be locked behind Pokemon Home when it eventually comes (effectively locked behind two subs, Home and NSO)... That's going to make getting version exclusives ridiculously hard at first (you'll be completely at somebody else's whims through Wonder Trade or have to have a friend with them to trade to you). That's some absolute shit. I'm used to GF doing the one step forward two steps back thing, but this is like two shuffles forward, five leaps back.

I have a theory that Game Freak is being pushed into a corner after Pokemon Go made more money in a couple of years than all regular pokemon games combined. The Pokemon Co. sees mobile as the future and they are investing heavilly in mobile stuff, thus leaving GF in a weak position. So they are going to monetize this game way more than before.

The signs are there already: Mainline pokemon is an annual franchise since Sun/Moon (SM in 2016, USUM in 2017, Let's Go P/E in 2018, Sw/Sh in 2019), so they barely have time to do anything big anymore and they recycle more and more stuff from previous games, with USUM being a practical carbon copy of the game released a year before. Masuda accusing of today's mobile gamers of having little attention spams and thus not bothering to add most extra features. Sending your old pokemon to newer versions is now a paid privilege, first with Poke Bank and now with Pokemon Home...

This is going to go a lot worse before it gets better: if the game succeeds, the cuts will continue, and may even increase. If the game fails, the people at Pokemon Co. will increase their investment in mobile at the cost of traditional games. Either way, dark times are ahead. I'm not sure what Nintendo can do to preserve the quality of one of their biggest hardware sellers, if they can (or want) at all...

I just hope they don't dare to put the cut pokemons under a paid wall. That would be EA levels of greed.



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Darwinianevolution said:
RingoGaSuki said:
The newest information seems to indicate that the GTS has been cut from Sw/Sh too, and is likely going to be locked behind Pokemon Home when it eventually comes (effectively locked behind two subs, Home and NSO)... That's going to make getting version exclusives ridiculously hard at first (you'll be completely at somebody else's whims through Wonder Trade or have to have a friend with them to trade to you). That's some absolute shit. I'm used to GF doing the one step forward two steps back thing, but this is like two shuffles forward, five leaps back.

I have a theory that Game Freak is being pushed into a corner after Pokemon Go made more money in a couple of years than all regular pokemon games combined. The Pokemon Co. sees mobile as the future and they are investing heavilly in mobile stuff, thus leaving GF in a weak position. So they are going to monetize this game way more than before.

The signs are there already: Mainline pokemon is an annual franchise since Sun/Moon (SM in 2016, USUM in 2017, Let's Go P/E in 2018, Sw/Sh in 2019), so they barely have time to do anything big anymore and they recycle more and more stuff from previous games, with USUM being a practical carbon copy of the game released a year before. Masuda accusing of today's mobile gamers of having little attention spams and thus not bothering to add most extra features. Sending your old pokemon to newer versions is now a paid privilege, first with Poke Bank and now with Pokemon Home...

This is going to go a lot worse before it gets better: if the game succeeds, the cuts will continue, and may even increase. If the game fails, the people at Pokemon Co. will increase their investment in mobile at the cost of traditional games. Either way, dark times are ahead. I'm not sure what Nintendo can do to preserve the quality of one of their biggest hardware sellers, if they can (or want) at all...

I just hope they don't dare to put the cut pokemons under a paid wall. That would be EA levels of greed.

That's exactly what I think is happening too. They're afraid of being pushed out of their biggest money driver, as evidenced from their efforts to find something other than Pokemon to give them success, and the increasing casualisation of the main games in an effort to bring in similar levels of money to the mobile market.

They've never provided any substantial updates once a game has released before, so I really don't think the older Pokemon will come back, but if they do, I don't doubt for a second that it'd be monetised.



RingoGaSuki said:
The newest information seems to indicate that the GTS has been cut from Sw/Sh too, and is likely going to be locked behind Pokemon Home when it eventually comes (effectively locked behind two subs, Home and NSO)... That's going to make getting version exclusives ridiculously hard at first (you'll be completely at somebody else's whims through Wonder Trade or have to have a friend with them to trade to you). That's some absolute shit. I'm used to GF doing the one step forward two steps back thing, but this is like two shuffles forward, five leaps back.

Wait. Trading is locked behind NSO?



mZuzek said:
RingoGaSuki said:
The newest information seems to indicate that the GTS has been cut from Sw/Sh too, and is likely going to be locked behind Pokemon Home when it eventually comes (effectively locked behind two subs, Home and NSO)... That's going to make getting version exclusives ridiculously hard at first (you'll be completely at somebody else's whims through Wonder Trade or have to have a friend with them to trade to you). That's some absolute shit. I'm used to GF doing the one step forward two steps back thing, but this is like two shuffles forward, five leaps back.

Wait. Trading is locked behind NSO?

There's no confirmation on whether peer-to-peer (people you're Switch friends with) trading or wonder trading are available without NSO (signs point to it being required), but the GTS isn't in any in-game menu and so has likely just been cut from the games (and from there merged into the upcoming Home app)

EDIT: Scratch that, directly from the official SwSh website's trading page: "Membership in the Nintendo Switch Online (paid) service is required to participate in Link Trades and Link Battles using the internet. There’s no need to set up a membership for local communication use."

So yes, trading is locked behind NSO.

Last edited by RingoGaSuki - on 08 November 2019

RingoGaSuki said:
mZuzek said:

Wait. Trading is locked behind NSO?

There's no confirmation on whether peer-to-peer (people you're Switch friends with) trading or wonder trading are available without NSO (signs point to it being required), but the GTS isn't in any in-game menu and so has likely just been cut from the games (and from there merged into the upcoming Home app)

EDIT: Scratch that, directly from the official SwSh website's trading page: "Membership in the Nintendo Switch Online (paid) service is required to participate in Link Trades and Link Battles using the internet. There’s no need to set up a membership for local communication use."

So yes, trading is locked behind NSO.

Yikes... but, then again, it was to be expected.



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RingoGaSuki said:
mZuzek said:

Wait. Trading is locked behind NSO?

There's no confirmation on whether peer-to-peer (people you're Switch friends with) trading or wonder trading are available without NSO (signs point to it being required), but the GTS isn't in any in-game menu and so has likely just been cut from the games (and from there merged into the upcoming Home app)

EDIT: Scratch that, directly from the official SwSh website's trading page: "Membership in the Nintendo Switch Online (paid) service is required to participate in Link Trades and Link Battles using the internet. There’s no need to set up a membership for local communication use."

So yes, trading is locked behind NSO.

I sort of expected this, It makes sense tho from a business perspective. Online trading - and the GTS overall - is part of the "multiplayer" features of the game so to speak and it does seems they just want to squeeze whatever amount of money they can out of this game.  
Still... as a player, well, fuck. 



The Pokemon Sw/Sh launch event in Japan was cancelled for "operational reasons"
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-11-08-pokemon-sword-and-shield-launch-event-in-japan-cancelled-for-operational-reasons



Darwinianevolution said:
RingoGaSuki said:
The newest information seems to indicate that the GTS has been cut from Sw/Sh too, and is likely going to be locked behind Pokemon Home when it eventually comes (effectively locked behind two subs, Home and NSO)... That's going to make getting version exclusives ridiculously hard at first (you'll be completely at somebody else's whims through Wonder Trade or have to have a friend with them to trade to you). That's some absolute shit. I'm used to GF doing the one step forward two steps back thing, but this is like two shuffles forward, five leaps back.

I have a theory that Game Freak is being pushed into a corner after Pokemon Go made more money in a couple of years than all regular pokemon games combined. The Pokemon Co. sees mobile as the future and they are investing heavilly in mobile stuff, thus leaving GF in a weak position. So they are going to monetize this game way more than before.

The signs are there already: Mainline pokemon is an annual franchise since Sun/Moon (SM in 2016, USUM in 2017, Let's Go P/E in 2018, Sw/Sh in 2019), so they barely have time to do anything big anymore and they recycle more and more stuff from previous games, with USUM being a practical carbon copy of the game released a year before. Masuda accusing of today's mobile gamers of having little attention spams and thus not bothering to add most extra features. Sending your old pokemon to newer versions is now a paid privilege, first with Poke Bank and now with Pokemon Home...

This is going to go a lot worse before it gets better: if the game succeeds, the cuts will continue, and may even increase. If the game fails, the people at Pokemon Co. will increase their investment in mobile at the cost of traditional games. Either way, dark times are ahead. I'm not sure what Nintendo can do to preserve the quality of one of their biggest hardware sellers, if they can (or want) at all...

I just hope they don't dare to put the cut pokemons under a paid wall. That would be EA levels of greed.

Why? Why would that be a bad thing? Why are you entitled to content from past games? You wouldn't go into a game like Mariokart and say "Harumph, I hope they don't charge me to play my old tracks in this game" would you? No, becuase that'd be stupid. If they're remaking content for the new game, it has value and thus it would make sense to charge for it. 

I'm gonna appropriate the term "Ok Boomer" to "Ok Gamer" to the same intended effect. 



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RingoGaSuki said:
The newest information seems to indicate that the GTS has been cut from Sw/Sh too, and is likely going to be locked behind Pokemon Home when it eventually comes (effectively locked behind two subs, Home and NSO)... That's going to make getting version exclusives ridiculously hard at first (you'll be completely at somebody else's whims through Wonder Trade or have to have a friend with them to trade to you). That's some absolute shit. I'm used to GF doing the one step forward two steps back thing, but this is like two shuffles forward, five leaps back.

Wow, if this is true, that is by far worse than them removing the national Dex. Locking the GTS behind 2 paywalls is so shitty. Thankfully my sister is getting Sword and we already had plans to trade the version exclusives with one another. I will just use Alpha Sapphire and Moon to continue working on my National Pokedex, and transfer those from my Pokemon Bank to Pokemon Home at a later date. 

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 08 November 2019

Speaking of shitty monetization practices, do we know yet if we will be able to transfer Mew from Pokemon Bank to Pokemon Home to Sword/Shield, or do you literally have to buy a Pokeball Plus to get Mew in Sw/Sh like you did in Let's Go?