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Baddman said:
Chrkeller said:

I have no issues with people not liking Pokemon S/S, personally I think the game looks amazing.  The point is those who aren't interested in Pokemon S/S should move along and stop derailing every Pokemon S/S discussion.  We get it, move along.  See Death Stranding thread, specifically Don's post for additional details.

They won't get this. They think doing the same thing in every thread fosters good discussion  it's the same complainers like move tf on already.

I mean... this thread was made by one such person, and yet you're coming here to tell them they shouldn't be wasting your time? If anything, you should move on. Don't come into a thread to complain about complaints that are perfectly valid.

I don't think you get what Pokémon means to many people. It's something they grew up all their life with, a magic series filled with great games and ideas, and more importantly, friendships. To those people, Sword/Shield is a slap in the face. It takes away everything Pokémon was meant to be, and they're in their right to complain about it. It sucks to see something you have strong feelings for take such a bad turn.

I know what your next answer is. You'll say people should just move on because "it's just a game", that it's silly to feel so strongly about it. If so, I don't think there's any reason your insensitive point should hold any value. The most important thing in a constructive discussion is for each side to understand each other's thoughts and feelings. Here, it kinda feels like one side is not willing to understand at all... probably because they know who's right, so they'd rather not think too hard about it. Ignorance is bliss, after all.



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RingoGaSuki said:
Jpcc86 said:

Its not bad at all really, its plenty for a single player exprience - And I do agree it looks VERY dated, but speaking only from my personal experience with the game, I enjoy the competitive multiplayer the most. Previous games have showed me that I really dont care much about the characters and story (specially in sun/moon) but I still enjoy the competitive game, and having the roster reduced to 400 tells me many stablished "usable" mons will be left out. And yeah, thats a bit of a bummer.

I read some time ago that they might add them with patches and updates, so Im gonna wait to see if theres any update on that. 

They deconfirmed that a while back, there will be no post-launch updates.

Can you give me a source on that? i've been trying to google it but cant find anything related to the topic. 
The only thing some online sites have said is that its "confirmed" that there wont be a third entry in this gen, but I guess we kinda already expected that.

Sorry for derailing the thread, I will complain about something later on to keep it on track. :(



mZuzek said:
Baddman said:

They won't get this. They think doing the same thing in every thread fosters good discussion  it's the same complainers like move tf on already.

I mean... this thread was made by one such person, and yet you're coming here to tell them they shouldn't be wasting your time? If anything, you should move on. Don't come into a thread to complain about complaints that are perfectly valid.

I don't think you get what Pokémon means to many people. It's something they grew up all their life with, a magic series filled with great games and ideas, and more importantly, friendships. To those people, Sword/Shield is a slap in the face. It takes away everything Pokémon was meant to be, and they're in their right to complain about it. It sucks to see something you have strong feelings for take such a bad turn.

I know what your next answer is. You'll say people should just move on because "it's just a game", that it's silly to feel so strongly about it. If so, I don't think there's any reason your insensitive point should hold any value. The most important thing in a constructive discussion is for each side to understand each other's thoughts and feelings. Here, it kinda feels like one side is not willing to understand at all... probably because they know who's right, so they'd rather not think too hard about it. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

I understand it, but don't need to hear it over and over and over and over and over again.  Month after month after month.  Death Stranding isn't my type of genre, am I suppose to make sure to post in every single Death thread and repeat myself 30x a day??  Star Wars is a perfect example.  We can't have a decent SW thread because the same few people make sure to voice their opinions over and over, as if people didn't hear them the first 100 times.    

And lord knows how many times I've pointed out the obvious, but there isn't a "right" or wrong..  it is all subjective.  Why in God's name people view subjective views as being factual or incorrect is literally baffling.  People who aren't happy with Pokemon are neither right nor wrong.  People who are happy with what they see are neither right or wrong.  Personal preference, different strokes, etc.  The ultimate question hasn't changed.  Why do haters across the board continue repeating their opinions to the blatant annoyance of others?    

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mZuzek said:
Baddman said:

They won't get this. They think doing the same thing in every thread fosters good discussion  it's the same complainers like move tf on already.

I mean... this thread was made by one such person, and yet you're coming here to tell them they shouldn't be wasting your time? If anything, you should move on. Don't come into a thread to complain about complaints that are perfectly valid.

I don't think you get what Pokémon means to many people. It's something they grew up all their life with, a magic series filled with great games and ideas, and more importantly, friendships. To those people, Sword/Shield is a slap in the face. It takes away everything Pokémon was meant to be, and they're in their right to complain about it. It sucks to see something you have strong feelings for take such a bad turn.

I know what your next answer is. You'll say people should just move on because "it's just a game", that it's silly to feel so strongly about it. If so, I don't think there's any reason your insensitive point should hold any value. The most important thing in a constructive discussion is for each side to understand each other's thoughts and feelings. Here, it kinda feels like one side is not willing to understand at all... probably because they know who's right, so they'd rather not think too hard about it. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

We get it you and others have made it a point to do this and repeat the same tired arguments in every topic about this game. 



Chrkeller said:
mZuzek said:

I mean... this thread was made by one such person, and yet you're coming here to tell them they shouldn't be wasting your time? If anything, you should move on. Don't come into a thread to complain about complaints that are perfectly valid.

I don't think you get what Pokémon means to many people. It's something they grew up all their life with, a magic series filled with great games and ideas, and more importantly, friendships. To those people, Sword/Shield is a slap in the face. It takes away everything Pokémon was meant to be, and they're in their right to complain about it. It sucks to see something you have strong feelings for take such a bad turn.

I know what your next answer is. You'll say people should just move on because "it's just a game", that it's silly to feel so strongly about it. If so, I don't think there's any reason your insensitive point should hold any value. The most important thing in a constructive discussion is for each side to understand each other's thoughts and feelings. Here, it kinda feels like one side is not willing to understand at all... probably because they know who's right, so they'd rather not think too hard about it. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

I understand it, but don't need to hear it over and over and over and over and over again.  Month after month after month.  Death Stranding isn't my type of genre, am I suppose to make sure to post in every single Death thread and repeat myself 30x a day??  Star Wars is a perfect example.  We can't have a decent SW thread because the same few people make sure to voice their opinions over and over, as if people didn't hear them the first 100 times.    

And lord knows how many times I've pointed out the obvious, but there isn't a "right" or wrong..  it is all subjective.  Why in God's name people view subjective views as being factual or incorrect is literally baffling.  People who aren't happy with Pokemon are neither right nor wrong.  People who are happy with what they see are neither right or wrong.  Personal preference, different strokes, etc.  The ultimate question hasn't changed.  Why do haters across the board continue repeating their opinions to the blatant annoyance of others?    

You're so oblivious it's painful to see.

First, your comparison with Death Stranding is terrible. If it's not your kind of game, if you don't care about the genre, then by all means you shouldn't go talk about it. It's an entirely different situation with Pokémon, because the people who are complaining are those who do care about the genre, and do care about the type of game it is, and do care about the series specifically. These people are into Pokémon, but have been turned off by recent decisions because the recent decisions are terrible.

Why are the recent decisions terrible? Well, you said it's subjective, that there is no "right or wrong", but... there are aspects of this that are very much fact. That Pokémon's initial tagline and main point was to "catch them all" and that's no longer possible in Sword/Shield is a fact. That Game Freak have lied about the cut being due to development budget/time is a fact, since it's already well known by now that there were no such technical limitations, the cut of Kanto Pokémon being the most obvious proof of this since they were all in a Switch game last year. That the game is graphically and technically far behind other $60 games is a fact - I believe it shouldn't take an expert to figure out that Breath of the Wild's open world is quite a bit more impressive visually and mechanically than Pokémon's bland, PS2-like open areas. That the game is also underwhelming in terms of animations is a fact, being outmatched even by lower budget games such as Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth - a game made for the PS Vita in 2015, and has barely sold half a million copies, but still features several different kinds of animations and has at least one highly detailed signature move for every single Digimon available. Again, a franchise that sells barely a fraction of Pokémon's numbers. That Game Freak is currently split into two teams and hasn't looked for outside help for their first HD mainline Pokémon game is a fact, as it's been stated in numerous reports and interviews. That Pokémon is the highest grossing multimedia franchise in the world is a fact, and it's at the very least disappointing to see its games being treated like lower budget titles, despite being sold at $60.

These are all facts. They're right, and that's that. Every Pokémon fan is entitled to complain about all of this, because it straight up sucks. Everyone is also entitled to say they don't care and are going to enjoy the game regardless. There's nothing wrong with that. But no one should be entitled to dismiss complaints that are perfectly valid and accurate about a situation that is clearly problematic.



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My thoughts on all of the controversies surrounding this game:

-The removal of the National Dex: Doesn't really effect me too much personally. I've never caught all the Pokemon, and while I have been slowly working towards catching them all via Pokemon Bank, I will still be able to do that via Pokemon Home, by transferring all the new Pokemon from Sword and Shield to Home and continuing to work on catching all of the older ones via Moon and Alpha Sapphire with the Global Trading system in those games. 

-The graphics: These are disappointing, I won't pretend that they're not. The Switch is capable of more graphically than Gamefreak is getting out of it. They clearly need better programmers.

-Is it AAA?: I'm going to say no, it isn't. It should be AAA, Pokemon is one of the biggest game franchises of all time with all mainline entries selling at least 15m units lifetime, mostly at full price, with 3rd versions made with a minimum of effort selling for an additional 6m+ units. And yet, in spite of how hugely profitable Pokemon games are, and in spite of the fact that they were able to get away with charging an extra $20 for Sw/Sh, they still haven't made Pokemon a AAA series. It is baffling to me. Gamefreak is by far the smallest studio that works on a game series that sells 10m+ units per game, and yet they still refuse to expand to AAA size. Even worse, more than half of their small 143 dev studio has been working on other projects like Little Town Hero and Giga Wrecker Alt instead of Sw/Sh. So no, Pokemon is still not a AAA series unfortunately.

-The designs: No, I don't think they are bad overall. This is actually shaping up to be one of my favorite gens design wise. It's looking like there will be enough fully evolved Pokemon that I like to go through the game twice with nothing but new Pokemon, and that has not happened for me in a long time, if ever. There are some duds like the mismatched fossil sets, but every gen has some duds. 

-Will I buy it?: Yes. While I am disappointed by the graphics and lack of AAA production value, I'm still very interested in the game. This might be last time that I buy a new Pokemon gen though, unless Pokemon finally evolves. I see Sw/Sh as a trial for HD development for Gamefreak, they've never really done it before, so I'm cutting them some slack. But there are no excuses on future generations. Rumor is that Switch 2 will already be out by the time Gen 9 releases, so Gamefreak will have even more power to work with and will need substantially better graphics and production value to be worthy of Switch 2 and the Pokemon IP. It's simply time for Gamefreak to expand into a AAA studio, and if they aren't willing to, Nintendo needs to find another studio that is AAA to handle development, with Gamefreak only serving in a supervisory and artistic capacity on future entries. 

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 07 November 2019

Baddman said:
mZuzek said:

I mean... this thread was made by one such person, and yet you're coming here to tell them they shouldn't be wasting your time? If anything, you should move on. Don't come into a thread to complain about complaints that are perfectly valid.

I don't think you get what Pokémon means to many people. It's something they grew up all their life with, a magic series filled with great games and ideas, and more importantly, friendships. To those people, Sword/Shield is a slap in the face. It takes away everything Pokémon was meant to be, and they're in their right to complain about it. It sucks to see something you have strong feelings for take such a bad turn.

I know what your next answer is. You'll say people should just move on because "it's just a game", that it's silly to feel so strongly about it. If so, I don't think there's any reason your insensitive point should hold any value. The most important thing in a constructive discussion is for each side to understand each other's thoughts and feelings. Here, it kinda feels like one side is not willing to understand at all... probably because they know who's right, so they'd rather not think too hard about it. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

We get it you and others have made it a point to do this and repeat the same tired arguments in every topic about this game. 

This.  And I won't say anymore on the subject.  I'll just take my Pokemon discussions to Discord, because it isn't worth the effort here at VG.  And some wonder why participation at VG continues to decline.  



So, when do we falsely accuse Junichi Masuda of being a predator again? Nothing beats trying to ruin someone's life over a video game. 8D



Some days I just blow up.

Chrkeller said:
Baddman said:

We get it you and others have made it a point to do this and repeat the same tired arguments in every topic about this game. 

This.  And I won't say anymore on the subject.  I'll just take my Pokemon discussions to Discord, because it isn't worth the effort here at VG.  And some wonder why participation at VG continues to decline.  

Yes, this is precisely the reason.



Chrkeller said:
Baddman said:

We get it you and others have made it a point to do this and repeat the same tired arguments in every topic about this game. 

This.  And I won't say anymore on the subject.  I'll just take my Pokemon discussions to Discord, because there everybody loves what I love and nobody will dare to challenge my tastes with reasonable arguments that make me uncomfortable

Fixed that for you, buddy.