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padib said:
curl-6 said:

It's possible, but it'd require a huge effort from MS to rehabilitate Xbox's image. At this point I think it's hard to say much about Scarlett when we know so little.

At any rate, by the time Switch is done, it should have brought Nintendo's hardware total comfortably over 800 million.

We know things curl, we do. I predicted that whatever console in gen 9 by Nintendo would take over, I did that about 5 years ago. And now I will predict that Scarlett will come out neck and neck with PS5 and here's why:

- They are gathering up a lot of internal studios right now and securing exclusives (even some they had loaned out to Nintendo!).

- Microsoft is learning from their mistakes of last gen and aiming to aggressively cater to gamers, following in Sony's lead.

- The scarlett will be a true generation above the Xbox1, making abundant and native use of ray tracing which will cause a true generational graphics gap with current consoles.

- Microsoft is getting ready to compete with the future of gaming: cloud gaming. Of course even if it is very early right now, gen 10 will be the start of cloud gaming which will eventually take over. Their presence in this area with Azure is bigger than what many of us think, because of Google's currently awkward entry. But things will evolve fast, Google is a quick learner, and a great money-maker. They will build the market in which Microsoft will be a competitor at the end of gen 10, into gen 11.

- The scarlett is scheduled to launch in November of 2020, before the PS5. Like the X360 told us in the past, this lead is crucial. Depending on how long that launch lead will be, and depending on the winning formula of the above points and overall recipe of Scarlett, the next gen will be highly competitive.

Do we know for sure Scarlett will beat PS5 to market? I thought both were only announced for "holiday 2020" so far.

At any rate, I do expect it will be a closer fight between Xbox and Playstation next gen than this gen, but we don't even know what Scarlett will actually be called, or what games it will have, or whether the marketing will be good, or how much it will cost, or whether it will be stronger or weaker than PS5, still too many unknowns for me personally at least to have a good feel for how it'll do.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 21 November 2019

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CGI-Quality said:
Gemmol31 said:


I will tell you one thing once you bring up Sony first party you already lost the debate. 

First of Sony cannot compete with Nintendo first party because once a game stop selling well for Sony that will be the end of that game

This is the case with any game

, it’s not something magical

They have plenty of valuable IPs that people continue to want to play long after the games have stopped selling

about they always want to make new IP,

This is a good thing that other companies should try more often

it just simply not selling well. Over Sony years there are many examples of games you can use for an example for current game we can use little big planet that came out for ps4 or which ever you like. 

people may want to bring up 3rd party games as a saving grace but it makes your case worse because if all those 3rd party developers got together to make their own system or online streaming store it would be a wrap for Sony they do not have first party content to keep up with Nintendo and nowhere close to half the money to keep up with Microsoft.

If money were all there was to it, Xbox wouldn't be getting stomped into the ground. As far as 1st party content is concerned, it isn't Sony who struggles (or would struggle if, somehow, all 3rd Party companies decided to make a system and exclude one of the biggest players to ever enter this market). That's just an unrealistic way to engage this argument.

NPD charts, Mediacreate charts, all charts basically show the majority of games people play on their Sony or Microsoft system is 3rd party games so no first party is not a big deal for majority of the customers it’s only for a small vocal online community the same online community that came after Pokémon and realize how small they are compared to the bigger fan base who do not see the huge problems they see 

check the charts in a top 10 best seller for Sony systems or look at the last 12 months from NPD or go further back and you will see Sony only takes 1 or 2 spots in the top 10 best sellers for its system with everything else filled up with 3rd party 

then you have word of mouth from Sony ceo a year or two back who says only 3 or 4 out of 10 Sony games make money but they still take chances on new games

numbers support Nintendo being okay in a future being on their own 

and cut it out with saying Sony recent numbers show they keeping up with Nintendo look at horizon it drop price after 3 weeks from launch then Sony bundle it a lot to increase its sales which Sony do more bundles than Nintendo it help inflate the game sales

look at Spider-Man last year those sales inflate the number for Black Friday selling the game with the system which the system sold very well on Black Friday 

People admittedly make a big deal about Sony's recent properties doing "Nintendo numbers". They don't even need such a comparison, as they sell very good on their own terms. That said....

how many bundles do you see Zelda or smash bros in? Look at last of us Sony best selling ps4 game it was basically given out for free Groupon at a time sold it for 5 to 10 dollars 

and last part if Nintendo system sell well only people that can compete with it are 3rd party Mario kart Wii before it got bundle sold 30 million it took grand theft on two systems Xbox and Sony which both sold over 150 million together to sell 30 million on PS3 and Xbox 360

....Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony bundle games. Pointless to try and minimize this for any of those three and even sillier to push it as a bad thing.

switch will reach 3 years old In March and it already have more 10 million sellers than Sony 

Another perspective.

We are comparing Nin and Sony here, and it's because a Sony fan brought it first.

Sony games could still selling a bit and people still want to play them after 3,4 years but still sold millions at $60 like Nintendo games? No, they don't. Imagine if Horizon is still $60, how many people will get it now?

Big deal or not, they don't even need such a comparison, correct. But we are celebrating Nintendo hardware sales here, and suddenly someone stepped in then made a comparison to Sony. What was he trying to prove here?



CGI-Quality said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

We are comparing Nin and Sony here, and it's because a Sony fan brought it first.

Sony games could still selling a bit and people still want to play them after 3,4 years but still sold millions at $60 like Nintendo games? No, they don't. Imagine if Horizon is still $60, how many people will get it now?

Big deal or not, they don't even need such a comparison, correct. But we are celebrating Nintendo hardware sales here, and suddenly someone stepped in then made a comparison to Sony. What was he trying to prove here?

The best way to get a topic back on track is to not engage someone who derailed it. So, you don’t need bring Sony up again either. 

OK, only if there is no one repeat the same thing like that 



CGI-Quality said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

OK, only if there is no one repeat the same thing like that 

No, don't engage it at all. Doesn't matter who else says what. A mod can handle people derailing the thread, but if you get involved, you're part of the problem.

Fine



Just realized; not only do Wii/DS between them account for 1/3 of all Nintendo hardware sold, the DS alone accounts for 1/5.

Pretty crazy considering we're talking about the combined sales of 11 systems over 36 years.



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curl-6 said:

Just realized; not only do Wii/DS between them account for 1/3 of all Nintendo hardware sold, the DS alone accounts for 1/5.

Pretty crazy considering we're talking about the combined sales of 11 systems over 36 years.

Out of context, yes.

Nintendo has only reached several markets, which Sony has been operating since the PS2, just now. Until the fifth generation, Nintendo was focused on the two largest markets: the USA and Japan. I believe the Middle East and the derivatives market does not yet have large-scale Nintendo products.

If you look that, it's impressive.