I've already agreed to not lumping.  I use STEM because pay gaps were real in my life time.  Same job, same work yet different pay wasn't a myth 10 years ago.  And for clarity I am not even 40 years old, so it isn't like we are talking ancient history.  It was real and did happen recently.  In fact the example I used earlier, yeah that was during Obama's 1st term.  

You have a point here, that everyone needs to stop this, but there's one core reason why non lefities are also participating and won't back down.

That is because (and let's just say the right to make it simple) the right were getting decimated due to sh*t flinging outrage culture, because they didn't know how to deal with it. No matter how hard the right swung the bat, based on how they typically operate, they ended up 'striking out' and paying the price. Then the right decided to follow what Trump does, and started throwing the sh*t back at the pitchers, which led to an 'awakening' of sorts. They realized the pitchers didn't much appreciate that and would just senselessly increase the sh*t flinging. Which the right would just increase the return flinging, instead of swinging, which led to both sides getting covered in sh*t. Though it's taken a while, some of the pitchers, or their coaches I guess you could say, who weren't used to being covered in sh*t, have had enough of it for the most part, and are trying to call a truce.

The right wants to play ball as it's meant to be played. When the pitchers start throwing baseballs again, the batters will start swinging at them again.

Thats a personal preference yes,works from both sides.

I sincerely hope you are joking.

I've had more than a few woman tell me over the years that they would never hire a man to babysit their kids, aside from a well trusted family member that is. Growing up, my parents never let a man babysit my brother and I. It was always a woman, and fairly young woman sometimes. I have little doubt that was mostly mom's decision, as she hardly trusted our own father, and for no good reason really. The difference with dad is that you just weren't pampered constantly, which apparently was oh so horrible as far as she was concerned.

Not only that, but my close friends who have kids, have never asked me to babysit, or the other guys, yet our female friends always do. If I were an idiot, or untrustworthy, or the guy who fails at anything he attempts, then that would be a no brainer, but the only thing that makes any sense is they also believe it's in their child's best interests to have females taking care of them. Not like it matters personally because not having to babysit isn't a loss for me at all, plus I myself don't necessarily disagree, as I personally feel woman are much better at taking care of children in general.

I wouldn't see the logic in complaining that there's a gender gap in taking care of kids, and if men were doing a worse job when they were, then they would deserve to be paid less. If they don't want to accept less, then they likely won't end up getting hired at all.

It didn't take long for this thread to devolve. Not surprised with that title.

No, Obama is not endorsing people's shitty right-wing views. His general message is about working together and compromise.

Comparing a high paying STEM job to babysitting.... wow. Some people are just special. I especially like the "sexism doesn't exist and it is ok to purposely not hire based on gender" argument. That isn't a paradox in the slightest.

Are you really believing that behaviour only comes from males?

The manager you knew is not a representation of the male gender,he is just an ass with personal preferences that are based on ignorance.(That was what i meant so excuse me if it was not clear enough)

And you have females beings bitches for doing that very same thing,there you go: equality.

You can turn this around easily,i do not know where you live but in the place i'm living women aren't forced into babysitting and men aren't forced to become construction workers but the first group happens to be more caring and willing to do that work and the second group has in general an easier time with heavy work,give the sexes freedom to do what they like but don't call it "sexism" that everything is not 50/50 split as it is choice.

And then i'm comparing lower payed jobs,there are lots of higher payed jobs with lots of females

A bigger problem can be found in that some people want others to behave like victims and when people are strong on their own they supposedly become"problematic",the thing is that those preaching against them are mostly weaklings on the internet speaking with no personal experience and use that kind of language to feel as a better person themselves. Fucking selfish pricks i would say.

Exactly the point I made. Glad to see someone else see the irony in this.

I don't see where I said sexism doesn't exist. I did say some people clearly exhibit sexism, and based on the case, I don't see the problem at times.

Are you suggesting STEM workers are more important or better than babysitters? That sounds an awful lot like woman are better than men, or vice versa. I take it part of a STEM interview is being asked if you've ever babysat, and if so, you won't be getting hired because you're clearly not part of the elite? What good is a future in the STEM field as a gifted child, if your babysitter is incompetent and causes you serious harm that jeopardizes that future?

You are right about it not being a paradox though.