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RedKingXIII said:
SwitchUP said:

Wow. Calling people who dont like the game idiots, while you stroke your own ego is pathetic. While you think everyone is an idiot, while basically calling yourself a genius. That's hilariously self indulgent.  Somehow, I think it may very well be the other way around, just based on your self praising post.

This is a copypasta.

It flew way over my head. Sorry about the comment. I've never heard of Rick and morty.



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SwitchUP said:
RedKingXIII said:

This is a copypasta.

It flew way over my head. Sorry about the comment. I've never heard of Rick and morty.

Watch it it's fantastic ^^



I will play it, and decide for myself.

This forum has been eventful in understanding many perspectives.



Looking foward to play it. 84 on Metacritic isn't bad at all. The curiosity about this game is really high so I think it will sell very well.



Torillian said:
SwitchUP said:

Wow. Calling people who dont like the game idiots, while you stroke your own ego is pathetic. While you think everyone is an idiot, while basically calling yourself a genius. That's hilariously self indulgent.  Somehow, I think it may very well be the other way around, just based on your self praising post.

It's a sarcastic post mimicking fans of Rick and Morty. 

#NotAllFans



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Runa216 said:
Torillian said:

It's a sarcastic post mimicking fans of Rick and Morty. 

#NotAllFans

I'm a fan of the show as well. I haven't run into this contingent of dickish snob fans but it's enough of a pervasive idea around the internet that I have to assume it exists in some small contingent. 



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Immersiveunreality said:
iron_megalith said:

Which is exactly why it's disappointing. You've seen everything. I was thinking he was holding back something but apparently not. WYSIWYG. Based on the consensus, the gameplay is not engaging at all. I don't give a shit about narrative anymore if it can't even do something simple like that. I would have just watched a series if all the immersion I will be getting is playing a walking simulator. I'm not saying that just because at it's core it's a walking simulator, it's bad. Even a game like Yume Nikki is 10 times more engaging that what this whole game seems to offer.

So you did make yourself believe it was something it is not, that is not the fault of the marketing surrounding this game.

Also most of what you said is not objective but personal preference.

Sure. Let's keep it at that. I don't have time to argue with something as petty as this. I'm glad the reviews saved me 60 bucks and potentially more since it is telling that this game is running on nothing but Kojima hype. I already started to feel his games slip ever since MGS4. MGS5, I was unsure since Konami being a dick could have been the cause. Now that he's not in Konami and on his own, it's certain that he just wants to make an interactive movie rather than an engaging gameplay with a really good story.



The gaming public are definitely tribal when it comes to certain producers and creators, but there's no defending a game when a review states that it's boring, tedious, not fun and or a slog but give it a 90 or 100. No one is saying that you can't enjoy the story at all or that it can't be the redeeming quality of a game, but games are meant to be interactive so that part of the game should be inviting to some degree...

My biggest gripe with those that are trying to sell this games story over the "dull, tedious gameplay" that some reviewers claim. Why create an atmospheric highly detailed environment if it doesn't matter much what you are able to do within this world? TLoU is a cinematic experience also, but I've never heard people praise the game for being dull, boring or tedious because it's none of those and that factors into it's critical acclaim.



Ck1x said:
The gaming public are definitely tribal when it comes to certain producers and creators, but there's no defending a game when a review states that it's boring, tedious, not fun and or a slog but give it a 90 or 100. No one is saying that you can't enjoy the story at all or that it can't be the redeeming quality of a game, but games are meant to be interactive so that part of the game should be inviting to some degree...

My biggest gripe with those that are trying to sell this games story over the "dull, tedious gameplay" that some reviewers claim. Why create an atmospheric highly detailed environment if it doesn't matter much what you are able to do within this world? TLoU is a cinematic experience also, but I've never heard people praise the game for being dull, boring or tedious because it's none of those and that factors into it's critical acclaim.

And How many reviews out of many state that?



Torillian said:
Shaunodon said:

Right, because when you want to sell gaming as a hobby to people, a common example used is, "it can feel like Schindler's List at times".

Shadow of the Colossus and Breath of the Wild could each be considered 'artistic' in their own right. I never had to feel bored playing either of them.
We are still talking about video games right?

Video games are a form of media like movies and music. Sometimes I watch/listen to them for "fun" (like watching a marvel movie) sometimes I do it to feel sad (music is particularly good at this). If you want to think of video games as children's toys then the idea that they need to be fun is pretty legitimate as we don't really need toys that make kids sad. I personally think video games are an art medium which means that "fun" isn't the only legitimate goal. Personally, one of my favorite games ever was To the Moon. It was beautiful, emotionally affecting, tear-jerking, but "fun" isn't how I would describe it. 

It's amazing how asking a simple question like, "we are still talking about video games right?", lead to all these comments wanting to have a discussion about gaming as an art form, most of them taking my words out of context.

So by your answer, are saying you consider Shadow of the Colossus and Breath of the Wild to be games only aimed at children??

I'm not really here to engage people in a debate about 'can video games be considered art'. At the end of the day, video games are primarily a form of entertainment. There are many more classic titles that can be considered 'artistic' games, like Okami, Bioshock, Dark Souls, Ori, even indie titles like Bastion, Undertale, Cuphead... But even if they were all made with an artistic vision, none of them forgot to achieve the primary goal of a video game, which is to be entertaining (not that everyone will enjoy certain games like Dark Souls).
Titles like 'To the Moon', slow-moving walking simulators and visual novels only meant to invoke emotional interest are a niche sect of gaming, and rightfully have their own niche corners in the Steam store where most people buy them for $5 (I bought To the Moon years ago on Steam sale and have yet to play it, but I'm sure it's great).
Death Stranding however is a game with a planet size budget and a full retail price and therefore has expectations to meet every standard of a modern big budget game, not just to indulge Kojima's whacky artistic vision while putting gamers through several hours of tedium. That's why reviewers stating outright the game is not "fun" but giving it a near perfect score, look stupid as hell. Amazing I have to point that out, but here we are.