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LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

Still you didn't like most of the exclusives on PS3 as well, so irrelevant anyway.

And Sony is so reliant on third parties that this is the gen where they got the highest critical acclaim, most goty and most sales. While I do remember last gen all the mockery they got for their titles being outsold by the xbox exclusives.

I enjoyed plenty of PS3 exclusives last gen. Regardless of the ratio, there were way more quality titles last gen, whether I enjoyed them or not.

Your point about acclaim is valid but already addressed in the post I made, they have quality this gen but not quantity imho. Previous gens they’ve had plenty of both. 

I don’t care what some supposed people maybe potentially said about sales six+ years ago wherever they potentially allegedly said it. How does that even relate to anything I said? Some people here really need to get over what some people allegedly said a decade ago because those members are apparently long gone and how in the world am I supposed to defend or chime in on something strangers said years ago lol. Nothing in my disappointment with PS4 has to do with Xbox. I’ve posted on here plenty of times that I don’t care for MS games mostly either.

You may not care, but the fact is that if sales of Sony 1st party is a lot higher and the quality as well then hardly you can say that they increased their reliance on 3rd party. But let's the numbers do the talking.

PS4 exclusives scores by metacritic                                                 PS3

95+ - 1                                                                                         3

90-94 - 9 (2 by 3rd parties, with one now being multiplat)                 10 (1 by 3rd party)

85-89 - 12 (6 by 3rd parties)                                                           16 (2 by 3rd party)

80-84 - 12 (5 by 3rd parties)                                                            18 (3 by 3rd party and one prologue)

Considering we still have at least 18 months with know Death Stranding, TLOU 2, Dreams and GoT to be released the comparison doesn't seem as bad as you paint on the quantity of quality titles on both system, plus there will be an online game made by ND in place of the MP for TLOU2. And since you agreed on the critical acclaim I don't need to reinforce that. Now let's see best sellers.

PS4 Sony published by VGC (yes PS4 will be damaged due to digital not tracked)            PS3

10M+  -  1                                                                                                                  1                                                                                                     

5-9,99 -  5                                                                                                                  4

1-4,99 - 20                                                                                                                 28

Total   83,33                                                                                                              105,65

Considering lack of the traking for digital and the games that will release Sony will have sold more SW on PS4, also will have more games selling over 5M and over 10M than PS3.

So all of that shows that Sony have depended less, made better quality titles, gained more acclaim and sold more than PS3. Basically none of your points really stands, unless of course you want to only count the total quantity of titles released independent of quality or sales (besides that the total of titles amount that meets sales or critic isn't that much different, and if we were on both critics and sales PS4 would be wining).



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COKTOE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
It’s easily my least used and least favorite Sony console. I got burned out after SegaCD/32x and 3DO and Sony actually got me back into gaming on PSone with games like Twisted Metal and GT. I used my PSone so much I ended up going through three of them. PS2 has SOCOM.

Last gen Sony was getting beat by the Wii worldwide and the 360 in the US and as a result they made a lot of games trying to build a strong library and make the PS3 more enticing. That got us games like Infamous, Motorstorm, Resistance, Killzone 2, Uncharted, etc.

They essentially won this gen before it even started with the horrible Xbone reveal and WiiU existence and to me they’ve dropped the ball in the games department mightily. Nothing creatively that approaches last gen. Way less games. Way more relying on multiplats to sell their system. Tbh idk how any fan of Sony the last two couple gens can be happy with their game output this gen, it’s been barren. And some might say quality over quantity but in the past they’ve had both.

Wow. There's too much crap to isolate with bold. It's close to a full flush. You have the "to me" shield though. Relying on multiplats? This is literally, indisputably, the golden age of PS exclusives. And again, the whole post....there's so much to work with. I'll be back. In an hour. A day. Whatever. There are shitposts, and there are SHITPOSTS. If I take a ban for this, I'll be back shortly, to gently, effortlessly, fuck you into oblivion.

It's disputable.  In fact in the PS1 and PS2 days a huge chunk of the library was exclusive.  Most of the PS4 library is not exclusive, not even close.

On top of that the PS4 library is severely lacking in originality.  I am trying to think of a significant (i.e., good and non-indie) game on the PS4 that is not a sequel.  The closest I can come up with is Bloodborne and Sekiro, which are both different takes on Dark Souls.  I suppose Ghosts of Tsushima will actually be original, but who knows?  It might skip the PS4 and go straight to the PS5.  Then the PS4 will be totally lacking in originality.

PS1 and PS2 had tons of original games, and PS3 had a decent share too.  When I look at PS4, I don't see a golden age.  I see a dark age.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
COKTOE said:

Wow. There's too much crap to isolate with bold. It's close to a full flush. You have the "to me" shield though. Relying on multiplats? This is literally, indisputably, the golden age of PS exclusives. And again, the whole post....there's so much to work with. I'll be back. In an hour. A day. Whatever. There are shitposts, and there are SHITPOSTS. If I take a ban for this, I'll be back shortly, to gently, effortlessly, fuck you into oblivion.

It's disputable.  In fact in the PS1 and PS2 days a huge chunk of the library was exclusive.  Most of the PS4 library is not exclusive, not even close.

On top of that the PS4 library is severely lacking in originality.  I am trying to think of a significant (i.e., good and non-indie) game on the PS4 that is not a sequel.  The closest I can come up with is Bloodborne and Sekiro, which are both different takes on Dark Souls.  I suppose Ghosts of Tsushima will actually be original, but who knows?  It might skip the PS4 and go straight to the PS5.  Then the PS4 will be totally lacking in originality.

PS1 and PS2 had tons of original games, and PS3 had a decent share too.  When I look at PS4, I don't see a golden age.  I see a dark age.

Seems like you need to play more PS4.

Days Gone, Horizon, Death Stranding, Concrete Genie, Dreams, Astrobot, Until Dawn, Nioh, The Last Guardian, The Order, Knack, Driveclub, Spider-Man, plenty of new IPs released this gen.



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DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

It's disputable.  In fact in the PS1 and PS2 days a huge chunk of the library was exclusive.  Most of the PS4 library is not exclusive, not even close.

On top of that the PS4 library is severely lacking in originality.  I am trying to think of a significant (i.e., good and non-indie) game on the PS4 that is not a sequel.  The closest I can come up with is Bloodborne and Sekiro, which are both different takes on Dark Souls.  I suppose Ghosts of Tsushima will actually be original, but who knows?  It might skip the PS4 and go straight to the PS5.  Then the PS4 will be totally lacking in originality.

PS1 and PS2 had tons of original games, and PS3 had a decent share too.  When I look at PS4, I don't see a golden age.  I see a dark age.

Seems like you need to play more PS4.

Days Gone, Horizon, Death Stranding, Concrete Genie, Dreams, Astrobot, Until Dawn, Nioh, The Last Guardian, The Order, Knack, Driveclub, Spider-Man, plenty of new IPs released this gen.

I'll give you Horizon Zero Dawn, because I forgot about that.  And you can count Until Dawn too.  Can't count most of the others.

Death Stranding is not out yet.  Those other games are either not particularly great or are sequels.  The Last Guardian and Spider-Man are sequels.  Nioh is a Dark Souls clone.  Perhaps the main "original" games this generation are the ones that copy Dark Souls.

Boy, it's really hard to think of good original PS4 games, isn't it?

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 25 October 2019

Good. To me it is the Switch.
I think the fact that there's currently so many good games for every platform is what makes us very happy and lends to love our current consoles way more than the ones before.
Can't wait to see what kind of games are devs going to do in some years.

Edit: BTW, my fav games of PS4 are TLoU Remastered, Bloodborne and GoW, in that order.



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DonFerrari said:

You may not care, but the fact is that if sales of Sony 1st party is a lot higher and the quality as well then hardly you can say that they increased their reliance on 3rd party. But let's the numbers do the talking.

Sales of Sony first party games SHOULD be higher. There are less first party games for consumers to choose from and what, 20 million more consoles for people to buy games for? What exactly do sales have to do with anything I posted, anyway? I said Sony is releasing less games this gen and relying more on third party. These are facts. I don't care what their software sells, I don't care what the metascore is.


DonFerrari said:

PS4 exclusives scores by metacritic                                                 PS3

95+ - 1                                                                                         3

90-94 - 9 (2 by 3rd parties, with one now being multiplat)                 10 (1 by 3rd party)

85-89 - 12 (6 by 3rd parties)                                                           16 (2 by 3rd party)

80-84 - 12 (5 by 3rd parties)                                                            18 (3 by 3rd party and one prologue)

Considering we still have at least 18 months with know Death Stranding, TLOU 2, Dreams and GoT to be released the comparison doesn't seem as bad as you paint on the quantity of quality titles on both system, plus there will be an online game made by ND in place of the MP for TLOU2. And since you agreed on the critical acclaim I don't need to reinforce that. Now let's see best sellers.

PS4 Sony published by VGC (yes PS4 will be damaged due to digital not tracked)            PS3

10M+  -  1                                                                                                                  1                                                                                                     

5-9,99 -  5                                                                                                                  4

1-4,99 - 20                                                                                                                 28

Total   83,33                                                                                                              105,65

Your metacritic list is irrelevant, but lets analyze it anyway.

You say there's one PS4 exclusive with a 95+ score. It's a port of a PS3 game. That's a point for my argument.
You say there are nine PS4 exclusives with a score between 90 and 94. There are actually seven, which is fine. But of the seven, you have:

Uncharted sequel (franchise started on PS3)
God of War sequel
Two PS3 ports
One PS2 port
Amazing VR game
Souls clone developed by outside company

I said Sony is relying on less games and being less creative, you aren't exactly making a strong case here by showcasing these metascores. I don't think I even need to analyze the rest of that list, and I'm going to completely ignore the sales stuff because it's completely irrelevant.

DonFerrari said:

Considering lack of the traking for digital and the games that will release Sony will have sold more SW on PS4, also will have more games selling over 5M and over 10M than PS3.

So all of that shows that Sony have depended less, made better quality titles, gained more acclaim and sold more than PS3. Basically none of your points really stands, unless of course you want to only count the total quantity of titles released independent of quality or sales (besides that the total of titles amount that meets sales or critic isn't that much different, and if we were on both critics and sales PS4 would be wining).

Again, considering context and logic, Sony should sell a lot of software on PS4. AFAIK it's over 100 million sold. I don't even know what that last part is trying to say.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
DonFerrari said:

Seems like you need to play more PS4.

Days Gone, Horizon, Death Stranding, Concrete Genie, Dreams, Astrobot, Until Dawn, Nioh, The Last Guardian, The Order, Knack, Driveclub, Spider-Man, plenty of new IPs released this gen.

I'll give you Horizon Zero Dawn, because I forgot about that.  And you can count Until Dawn too.  Can't count most of the others.

Death Stranding is not out yet.  Those other games are either not particularly great or are sequels.  The Last Guardian and Spider-Man are sequels.  Nioh is a Dark Souls clone.  Perhaps the main "original" games this generation are the ones that copy Dark Souls.

Boy, it's really hard to think of good original PS4 games, isn't it?

You don't thinking the game is great doesn't discount it being a new game.

Last Guardian isn't a sequel, there are hints that it is in the same universe of the other 2, but gameplay wise it is totally different game. And how the first S-M game made by Insomniac is a sequel? Is that because there were other S-M before or because Sunset Overdrive resembles it? I didn't even gone there and cheat listing God of War as new title because it is totally different than the others and the story have like 1% cross with the past ones.

For you it may be hard, I have no issue over it.

LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

You may not care, but the fact is that if sales of Sony 1st party is a lot higher and the quality as well then hardly you can say that they increased their reliance on 3rd party. But let's the numbers do the talking.

Sales of Sony first party games SHOULD be higher. There are less first party games for consumers to choose from and what, 20 million more consoles for people to buy games for? What exactly do sales have to do with anything I posted, anyway? I said Sony is releasing less games this gen and relying more on third party. These are facts. I don't care what their software sells, I don't care what the metascore is.

Yes sure, the sales and quality of Microsoft games have skyrocketed from they making less games right?

So you just want to sprout BS using a generic quantity of games, great to know. so I don't think I need to reply back anything else you say in response.

DonFerrari said:

PS4 exclusives scores by metacritic                                                 PS3

95+ - 1                                                                                         3

90-94 - 9 (2 by 3rd parties, with one now being multiplat)                 10 (1 by 3rd party)

85-89 - 12 (6 by 3rd parties)                                                           16 (2 by 3rd party)

80-84 - 12 (5 by 3rd parties)                                                            18 (3 by 3rd party and one prologue)

Considering we still have at least 18 months with know Death Stranding, TLOU 2, Dreams and GoT to be released the comparison doesn't seem as bad as you paint on the quantity of quality titles on both system, plus there will be an online game made by ND in place of the MP for TLOU2. And since you agreed on the critical acclaim I don't need to reinforce that. Now let's see best sellers.

PS4 Sony published by VGC (yes PS4 will be damaged due to digital not tracked)            PS3

10M+  -  1                                                                                                                  1                                                                                                     

5-9,99 -  5                                                                                                                  4

1-4,99 - 20                                                                                                                 28

Total   83,33                                                                                                              105,65

Your metacritic list is irrelevant, but lets analyze it anyway.

You say there's one PS4 exclusive with a 95+ score. It's a port of a PS3 game. That's a point for my argument.
You say there are nine PS4 exclusives with a score between 90 and 94. There are actually seven, which is fine. But of the seven, you have:

Uncharted sequel (franchise started on PS3)
God of War sequel
Two PS3 ports
One PS2 port
Amazing VR game
Souls clone developed by outside company

I said Sony is relying on less games and being less creative, you aren't exactly making a strong case here by showcasing these metascores. I don't think I even need to analyze the rest of that list, and I'm going to completely ignore the sales stuff because it's completely irrelevant.

A brilliant analysis made just to dismiss what you don't like or agree, congratulations. 

DonFerrari said:

Considering lack of the traking for digital and the games that will release Sony will have sold more SW on PS4, also will have more games selling over 5M and over 10M than PS3.

So all of that shows that Sony have depended less, made better quality titles, gained more acclaim and sold more than PS3. Basically none of your points really stands, unless of course you want to only count the total quantity of titles released independent of quality or sales (besides that the total of titles amount that meets sales or critic isn't that much different, and if we were on both critics and sales PS4 would be wining).

Again, considering context and logic, Sony should sell a lot of software on PS4. AFAIK it's over 100 million sold. I don't even know what that last part is trying to say.

When a company is selling more of their own SW, total and having more high sellers, you can't claim they are relying more on third parties at all.



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It's either Atari 5200 or the PS4 for me, for completely different reasons:

5200 due to having ample time to play it and my house became ground central with all my friends.

PS4 to escape the grind of work, family, house, wife, kids, elder parent who I just had to place in elder care, etc, etc. Plus games finally being kinda what was "playing in my head" way back when. PS4/PSVR have made it one amazing generation, and while I can't nearly play like I did due to time constraints, I usually get in a good run from 10:30pm to 3am on a Sunday and Wed usually, when everyone is asleep, lol



LudicrousSpeed said:
COKTOE said:

Wow. There's too much crap to isolate with bold. It's close to a full flush. You have the "to me" shield though. Relying on multiplats? This is literally, indisputably, the golden age of PS exclusives. And again, the whole post....there's so much to work with. I'll be back. In an hour. A day. Whatever. There are shitposts, and there are SHITPOSTS. If I take a ban for this, I'll be back shortly, to gently, effortlessly, fuck you into oblivion.

Yikes. Is this one of those shitposts you're referencing? That's a bad take. PS2 and PS3 had way more incredible exclusives.

Yeah. I have a bad take. When one is comparing/contrasting PS systems, one is essentially comparing/contrasting different levels of excellence. It's fair to have a wildly unpopular opinion such as yours. Like the opinion that PS has "dropped the ball in the games department mightily." Yeah. That's a talking point that's difficult to avoid. Not that the PS4 might be perhaps, off the pace of it's predecessors in terms of the raw number of games, but that they've "dropped the ball in the games department mightily" A widely discussed issue to be sure, and not at all one that most would consider hyperbolic nonsense.....

And then we have this: "Tbh idk how any fan of Sony the last two couple gens can be happy with their game output this gen, it’s been barren" The temerity to go that route....As if the general praise and success of the PS4 is due to to....Primarily what? Indoctrination and brand bias? We're talking 6 years of software and hardware output, spanning multiple games, most of which have been both critically acclaimed and commercially successful. The jury IS IN, and it has been for quite some time. The planet Earth has spoken. The success and consumer satisfaction of the PS4 is indisputable. But yet no matter how much you furrow your brow and concentrate, you just can't understand how a majority of players of all types could possibly satiated, in spite of a universally lauded PS4 1st party lineup.



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Lol at the one who thinks sony's exclusives are not better.
Lol at the one who talks about original games,nothing is original anymore.
Lol at the one who dismisses hundreds of awesome indie games, there still games ya know.
Lol at the one who really believes the ps3 library is better then ps4.

Advice for that person ,go play more games



 

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