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Mar1217 said:
I mean ... no ? Directs have been more content heavy on news lately which this leads me to believe that we're facing a guy with his weird illusions transcripted on doubtful site, there's not enough in this leak to thing this would be worthy a whole Direct.

Also, Crash in Smash .... we ain't talking about Banjo Kazooie case here where it was made originally with the N64 in mind, it's a freaking Sony mascot !

So are Cloud and Snake, but they got in. In fact, Snake was the first 3rd party character to make it. That hasn't stopped Nintendo and Sakurai before, why would it now?
And it's not like Crash is a Sony first party exclusive. 
The Game Boy Advance got its own trilogy of Crash games + a Kart racer; Wrath of Cortex was on the GameCube; And the N Sane Trilogy sold pretty well on the Switch. If anything, there's a stronger case to be made for Crash there is for Cloud or Snake. And if Sonic, Sega's mascot and Mario's rival could be in Smash Bros. along with Cloud, Snake, and Joker. Anyone is fair game.



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PAOerfulone said:
KLXVER said:
I don't know. Crash in Smash would be cool, but Sony couldn't seem to get him in their fighting game or on the PS Classic, so what chance does Nintendo have?

Sony got Raiden, Nintendo got Snake.
Sony didn't get any Final Fantasy character, Nintendo got THE Final Fantasy character.
Sony didn't get any Street Fighter characters, Nintendo get Ryu and Ken.
Nintendo got Banjo & Kazooie from Microsoft, one of their competitors.

Nintendo's chances are pretty damn strong. At this point, I say it's not a matter of if, but when.

Good points



PAOerfulone said:
Mar1217 said:
I mean ... no ? Directs have been more content heavy on news lately which this leads me to believe that we're facing a guy with his weird illusions transcripted on doubtful site, there's not enough in this leak to thing this would be worthy a whole Direct.

Also, Crash in Smash .... we ain't talking about Banjo Kazooie case here where it was made originally with the N64 in mind, it's a freaking Sony mascot !

So are Cloud and Snake, but they got in. In fact, Snake was the first 3rd party character to make it. That hasn't stopped Nintendo and Sakurai before, why would it now?
And it's not like Crash is a Sony first party exclusive. 
The Game Boy Advance got its own trilogy of Crash games + a Kart racer; Wrath of Cortex was on the GameCube; And the N Sane Trilogy sold pretty well on the Switch. If anything, there's a stronger case to be made for Crash there is for Cloud or Snake. And if Sonic, Sega's mascot and Mario's rival could be in Smash Bros. along with Cloud, Snake, and Joker. Anyone is fair game.

Just saying though, Crash is a western IP that has a story reknown with Sony for the most part of his life. Banjo is the only one of it's kind and will be simply because it is ingrained in Nintendo history. Crash is not.

Meanwhile, Cloud is more a representative of the FF series as a whole, which marked it's debut and climb in popularity during the NES and SNES era, it makes itself a stronger case than a lot of other franchises honestly.

Joker is probably just a guilty trip from Sakurai who loves the series a lot.



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Mar1217 said:
PAOerfulone said:

So are Cloud and Snake, but they got in. In fact, Snake was the first 3rd party character to make it. That hasn't stopped Nintendo and Sakurai before, why would it now?
And it's not like Crash is a Sony first party exclusive. 
The Game Boy Advance got its own trilogy of Crash games + a Kart racer; Wrath of Cortex was on the GameCube; And the N Sane Trilogy sold pretty well on the Switch. If anything, there's a stronger case to be made for Crash there is for Cloud or Snake. And if Sonic, Sega's mascot and Mario's rival could be in Smash Bros. along with Cloud, Snake, and Joker. Anyone is fair game.

Just saying though, Crash is a western IP that has a story reknown with Sony for the most part of his life. Banjo is the only one of it's kind and will be simply because it is ingrained in Nintendo history. Crash is not.

Meanwhile, Cloud is more a representative of the FF series as a whole, which marked it's debut and climb in popularity during the NES and SNES era, it makes itself a stronger case than a lot of other franchises honestly.

Joker is probably just a guilty trip from Sakurai who loves the series a lot.

Crash was fairly popular in Japan as well, despite being a Western IP. And you forget that Banjo is now owned by Microsoft, one of Nintendo's main competitors along with Sony, yet he got in. And for all this talk about Sony and how Crash's history is primarily PlayStation, there's one crucial thing to remember: The decision is not Sony's to make. Crash is owned by Activision, so they're the ones who make the call, not Sony or Naughty Dog. If Nintendo can strike a deal with Microsoft, why can't they do the same with Activision?

Cloud represents the FF series, but he mostly represents the Sony side of the series, when the franchise took off to become the premier console JRPG franchise in the world. And the game he comes from, Final Fantasy VII, was the end result of Nintendo and Square's relationship falling apart and why the game jumped from the N64 to the PS1. If it was Cecil or Terra, you'd have a point. But Cloud? The guy who is the manifestation and embodiment of that collapse between Nintendo and Square & Final Fantasy moving to PlayStation? There was just as big of a case for Cloud to be OUT of Smash as there was for him to be IN Smash.

Guilty trip or not, Joker is still in.

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 14 October 2019

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PAOerfulone said:
Mar1217 said:

Just saying though, Crash is a western IP that has a story reknown with Sony for the most part of his life. Banjo is the only one of it's kind and will be simply because it is ingrained in Nintendo history. Crash is not.

Meanwhile, Cloud is more a representative of the FF series as a whole, which marked it's debut and climb in popularity during the NES and SNES era, it makes itself a stronger case than a lot of other franchises honestly.

Joker is probably just a guilty trip from Sakurai who loves the series a lot.

Crash was fairly popular in Japan as well, despite being a Western IP. And you forget that Banjo is now owned by Microsoft, one of Nintendo's main competitors along with Sony, yet he got in. And for all this talk about Sony and how Crash's history is primarily PlayStation, there's one crucial thing to remember: The decision is not Sony's to make. Crash is owned by Activision, so they're the ones who make the call, not Sony or Naughty Dog. If Nintendo can strike a deal with Microsoft, why can't they do the same with Activision?

Cloud represents the FF series, but he mostly represents the Sony side of the series, when the franchise took off to become the premier console JRPG franchise in the world. And the game he comes from, Final Fantasy VII, was the end result of Nintendo and Square's relationship falling apart and why the game jumped from the N64 to the PS1. If it was Cecil or Terra, you'd have a point. But Cloud? The guy who is the manifestation and embodiment of that collapse between Nintendo and Square & Final Fantasy moving to PlayStation? There was just as big of a case for Cloud to be OUT of Smash as there was for him to be IN Smash.

Guilty trip or not, Joker is still in.

Well, that's easy, people aren't feeling as strongly for Crash since it doesn't have an identity with Nintendo like Banjo does which meant Banjo was always one of the major picks to get into the game since LOOOOOONG ago. Crash was just a meme character on the same level as Shrek and Goku honestly. There's no real sense of identity.

Though, honestly, looking at Spencer comments, making a deal to get Banjo's rights in Smash was probably easy as hell. The guy would be willing to throw any character Microsoft owns to get relevancy. I wouldn't be surprised if he even actually paid Nintendo to get him into the game. 

As for Cloud, it doesn't matter that he is a representation of the post-Nintendo era from back then. FF history on Nintendo early system is undeniable which make the choice understandable even back in the WiiU era.



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Mar1217 said:

PAOerfulone said:

Crash was fairly popular in Japan as well, despite being a Western IP. And you forget that Banjo is now owned by Microsoft, one of Nintendo's main competitors along with Sony, yet he got in. And for all this talk about Sony and how Crash's history is primarily PlayStation, there's one crucial thing to remember: The decision is not Sony's to make. Crash is owned by Activision, so they're the ones who make the call, not Sony or Naughty Dog. If Nintendo can strike a deal with Microsoft, why can't they do the same with Activision?

Cloud represents the FF series, but he mostly represents the Sony side of the series, when the franchise took off to become the premier console JRPG franchise in the world. And the game he comes from, Final Fantasy VII, was the end result of Nintendo and Square's relationship falling apart and why the game jumped from the N64 to the PS1. If it was Cecil or Terra, you'd have a point. But Cloud? The guy who is the manifestation and embodiment of that collapse between Nintendo and Square & Final Fantasy moving to PlayStation? There was just as big of a case for Cloud to be OUT of Smash as there was for him to be IN Smash.

Guilty trip or not, Joker is still in.

Well, that's easy, people aren't feeling as strongly for Crash since it doesn't have an identity with Nintendo like Banjo does which meant Banjo was always one of the major picks to get into the game since LOOOOOONG ago. Crash was just a meme character on the same level as Shrek and Goku honestly. There's no real sense of identity.

Though, honestly, looking at Spencer comments, making a deal to get Banjo's rights in Smash was probably easy as hell. The guy would be willing to throw any character Microsoft owns to get relevancy. I wouldn't be surprised if he even actually paid Nintendo to get him into the game. 

As for Cloud, it doesn't matter that he is a representation of the post-Nintendo era from back then. FF history on Nintendo early system is undeniable which make the choice understandable even back in the WiiU era.

BULLSHIT! No real sense of identity?! Meme character?! The Crash N Sane Trilogy, with all versions put together, sold more than 10 million copies by the end of February. The 3 major mascot platformers of the 90s were Mario, Sonic, and Crash. The history is there. The identity with and against Nintendo is there. The popularity is there. And you're seriously comparing Crash to Shrek and Goku? Really? (And, what does that have anything to do with Nintendo's ability to strike a deal with Activision?)

Snake didn't have much of an identity with Nintendo back when he was revealed as the first 3rd party fighter for Brawl. He had even LESS of an identity with Nintendo than Crash does now. And if you want to talk about not having an identity with Nintendo. No character was made to be more anti-Nintendo/counter-Nintendo than Sonic. He was the mascot to Nintendo's biggest competitor in the early 90s and Mario's rival. The main reason he was even created was to be the anti-Mario and to stick it to Nintendo. Yet he got in and he's been in every Smash game since. The history was there. The identity, both with and against Nintendo, was there. And the popularity most DEFINITELY was there. 

And this was back when Smash Bros. used to be strictly Nintendo characters. Snake and Sonic, two of the biggest anti-Nintendo characters at the time, completely destroyed that rule; Shattered it into a million pieces and left it dead and buried. And now, we've gotten Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, Joker, DQ Hero, and Terry Bogard from Fatal Fury (What kind of noteworthy relation and identity does Fatal Fury or Terry have with Nintendo to warrant them coming to Smash Bros? Fatal Fury & Terry have more relation and identity with Neo-Geo, Sega, and Sony than they do Nintendo.) 

This is 2019, not 2005. After Snake, Sonic, Cloud, Joker, and Terry Bogard, that "relation/identity with Nintendo" rule isn't worth jack shit. But even if it is, Crash most definitely has a relation and identity with Nintendo that's very similar and identical to Sonic. That alone is enough for him to be in the game. Smash Bros. is now a celebration of video games and gaming history. Crash is most definitely a significant part of gaming history. He's coming. It's just a matter of when.

And if doesn't matter if Cloud was the representation of the post-Nintendo era of Final Fantasy given Final Fantasy's prior history with Nintendo from the NES to SNES. Why should it matter that Crash is the representation of the PS1 during the 5th generation given Crash's history with Nintendo afterwards with the GameCube, Game Boy Advance, and most importantly, the Nintendo Switch? Crash is not only historic and identifiable with Nintendo. But thanks to the N Sane Trilogy last year and Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled releasing this year, he's also RELEVANT. More relevant than pretty much half the roster.

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 14 October 2019

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Nintendo Switch in Japan (Famitsu): 2018 vs. 2019
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=238945&page=2

PlayStation 4/Xbox One/Nintendo Switch: 2018 vs. 2019
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239387

Crash and Ryu? I don't think Sakurai wants me to be happy for long, after showing me some pity with Banjo and Terry I pretty much expect the next one to be Sora from Kingdom Hearts so I can feel truly miserable.



ARamdomGamer said:

Crash and Ryu? I don't think Sakurai wants me to be happy for long, after showing me some pity with Banjo and Terry I pretty much expect the next one to be Sora from Kingdom Hearts so I can feel truly miserable.

lol The fact that Sakurai isn't a grumpy bastard with fans like these surprise me.



Wouldn't shock me if there is a Direct in november, but this "leak" sounds like something anyone could come up with.



Mar1217 said:
I mean ... no ? Directs have been more content heavy on news lately which this leads me to believe that we're facing a guy with his weird illusions transcripted on doubtful site, there's not enough in this leak to thing this would be worthy a whole Direct.

Also, Crash in Smash .... we ain't talking about Banjo Kazooie case here where it was made originally with the N64 in mind, it's a freaking Sony mascot !

It was a ps1 mascot.... that has seen every single system out there since then..... it's almost as far from a Sony mascot as mario.... barring one system... the ps1. That's a hell of alot more non Sony systems then it was ever a sony only mascot. Come on now. They would beg Nintendo to out such a low level character into smash, smash would do far more for crash than crash would EVER do for smash. 



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