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Will you boycott Blizzard?

Yes 46 63.01%
 
No 21 28.77%
 
See Results 6 8.22%
 
Total:73

I absolutely do not support Blizzard's handling of the situation. However, I will note that as a publicly traded company, blizzard has a legal obligation to try to maximize shareholder value. I think it's pretty clear that's what they were trying to do here, by not pissing off China. The Chinese market is extremely important to that shareholder value.

If you really want to think it through, US law requires blizzard to do things that are best for the company. Chinese law has other requirements. Blizzard has to balance those things.

My position would be that blizzard should now maximize shareholder value by publicly stating that they do not support the brutal Chinese regime, and that they're willing to take those consequences. That'll help him out with most of the rest of the world, and maybe, at least in the short-term, how to make up for whatever revenue and profit they aren't able to generate in China going forward. Admittedly though, people in the west would forget about their courageous position, and it probably wouldn't be good for the long-term health of the company.

Ultimately, this is the position that company chose to put themselves in when they went after the Chinese money.

Last edited by VAMatt - on 12 October 2019

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Ka-pi96 said:
Zoombael said:

It doesn't matter how my written words sounded to you after i've clarified. House rules. It is that simple. You also shouldn't access company compound with a sign in your hands to tout political messages. What do you think will happen if you do this at your place of work?

You didn't clarify, you dodged the question. I know the answer though, I mean people don't dodge questions when they have a good answer to them...

You want to inject the morally questionable into the ruling conditions of participation and Blizzards actions. I clarified, i clearly asked you if it's morally objectionable when it says "NO politics!". You replied by insisting reading meaning into my comment that isn't there. You didn't pose a question, you want to insist the rules Blizzard installed are morally objectionable, which they clearly are not. I clarified why and you don't like that, since you got nothing to counter.

The irony, you yourself, all this stir up give even more reason why politics have no place at an apolitically marked event. Many gamers see it the same way, want to keep it clean and neutral fun. Alas, others insist being dicks about it and force their shit down peoples throats, insinuating whoever isn't on their side is "anti human rights". That is the morally objectionable here.



Hunting Season is done...

BraLoD said:
CuCabeludo said:

Diablo 2 retail aged like shit. I only play it because of some very good mods, like Annihilus and Reign of Shadow. Median XL is ok.

That's your opinion.

I have zero problems with how even Diablo 1 aged.

Inventory charm sytem is garbage, no space cause charms fill everything. No auto gold pickup, no account shared multiple stash system, and only 3 god-like builds, all others is garbage. Console players already have PoE which shits on Diablo 2 retail.

Blizzard will never touch D2 or even D3 (D3 was turned into a classic game, aka maintance mode) again, they are 100% commited with D4 development.

The reason Blizzard did Starcraft remastered is because it still is big as an e-sport in Korea to this day.

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Ka-pi96 said:

I never suggested anything to do with Blizzard. You stated that people should be follow rules without question and I called you out on it. Luckily the majority of people have abandoned your outdated way of thinking and left it in the dark ages, where it belongs.

If you don't want to follow the rules of a competition... don't enter.



twintail said:

So being a gamer means you can't have political views? 

I'm not really sure where you are going with this.

What does political views got to do with playing video games?

DarthMetalliCube said:

Seriously? I'd argue the opposite. Real gamers care about human rights and tend to have an anti-authoritarian bent.

This isn't the freaking climate change or abortion debate.. This isn't a "political stance." It's not a controversial one. It's a city of downtrodden citizens fighting for basic human rights against an oppressive communist government that literally beats and shoots protestors in the streets, and has ACTUAL concentration camps for "undesirables" like Muslims (Uighurs). And if Blizzard is going to sacrifice their soul just to pocket a little extra change then they're dead to me. That's dirty money as far as I'm concerned. I know as a souless corporation $$$ is the ultimate bottom line but jesus christ, do you draw the line ANYWHERE. Peronally I'd rather be homeless in the street than sell my soul and fill my pockets with dirty money. And wtf why do these guys feel the need to be Chinese bootlickers all a sudden? Is the Western capitalist market full of hundreds of millions of potential consumers not enough??

Blizzard are a video game maker and a business not a justice fighter for peoples rights. What happens in another country is not controlled by Blizzard. They have majority of there market share there and are not willing to lose everything over a war that cannot be won. I feel sorry for the Hong Kong people as I have many friends who are from HK however Blizzard are still just a video game maker and boycotting good games over political views to me are simply not true gamers at heart. I could care less if the devil makes video games, if the video game is good and interests me than ill buy it regardless.

A smarter sense in these situations would be to keep political views away from gaming so these things don't happen.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 12 October 2019

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Barkley said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I never suggested anything to do with Blizzard. You stated that people should be follow rules without question and I called you out on it. Luckily the majority of people have abandoned your outdated way of thinking and left it in the dark ages, where it belongs.

If you don't want to follow the rules of a competition... don't enter.

Well Blizzard consumerbase might be shifting to people with less rights so this problem could just be one of an adapting nature.

I wont ever respect rules used as an political enforcement to shut down someone like that though,the company's own developers are even protesting about it.Calling out for violence would be something else but this is about fellow human rights.



CuCabeludo said:
BraLoD said:

That's your opinion.

I have zero problems with how even Diablo 1 aged.

Inventory charm sytem is garbage, no space cause charms fill everything. No auto gold pickup, no account shared multiple stash system, and only 3 god-like builds, all others is garbage. Console players already have PoE which shits on Diablo 2 retail.

Blizzard will never touch D2 or even D3 (D3 was turned into a classic game, aka maintance mode) again, they are 100% commited with D4 development.

The reason Blizzard did Starcraft remastered is because it still is big as an e-sport in Korea to this day.

1) Downsides to power creep with charms? seems like a fair thing, want to load up on charms, cant carry too much else.

2) No auto gold pickup.... granted this is nice, but gold is basically a ignored thing with little to no value, economy was item based tradeing.

3) "only 3 god-like builds"  hey atleast D2 actually had builds (skill trees for verious objectives you could maximise your character for).
Diablo 3 has NO builds, because you can just swap things on the fly.... and every character feels and plays like most others of the same type.

4) PoE sh*ts on diablo 3 as well...... plus console players also have Diablo 3.

and lastly I agree, blizzard wont do a Diablo 2 remake.

I feel like diablo 2, aged a million times better than diablo 3 though.
I was playing D2 for years and years... and D3 was flat and over, within a few months (for me and most of my friends).



Ka-pi96 said:
Zoombael said:

You want to inject the morally questionable into the ruling conditions of participation and Blizzards actions. I clarified, i clearly asked you if it's morally objectionable when it says "NO politics!". You replied by insisting reading meaning into my comment that isn't there. You didn't pose a question, you want to insist the rules Blizzard installed are morally objectionable, which they clearly are not. I clarified why and you don't like that, since you got nothing to counter.

The irony, you yourself, all this stir up give even more reason why politics have no place at an apolitically marked event. Many gamers see it the same way, want to keep it clean and neutral fun. Alas, others insist being dicks about it and force their shit down peoples throats, insinuating whoever isn't on their side is "anti human rights". That is the morally objectionable here.

I never suggested anything to do with Blizzard. You stated that people should follow rules without question and I called you out on it. Luckily the majority of people have abandoned your outdated way of thinking and left it in the dark ages, where it belongs.

You're talking nonsense. What is the topic of the thread and what is included in my post you've quoted? You've even put it in bold.

Ka-pi96 said:
Zoombael said:
It's... understandable? The rational and dry: Are there clear guidelines / rules what doesnt go and what the penalties are? If there are and the now banned player was aware of the consequences then Blizzard did nothing wrong.


The "don't you guys have phones" on the other hand made me... emotional. Really emotional. I am not a fan of any Blizzard IP.

Really? So you'd follow rules/guidelines even if they're morally objectionable?

I was clearly commenting on the subject and nothing else. Why would i make it wildly off-topic?

Ka-pi96 said:
Zoombael said:

Would it be morally objectionable if it simply says "No Politics!". And it looks like the rules do exactly say that.

Had they suspended him for being politically active outside of any blizzard event, then there would be something very wrong.

The way you worded your post sounded like you thought that generally. So, do you? Do you think that rules should be followed without question regardless of the content of said rules?

How did you come to the conclusion i suggest following morally questionable rules/guidelines generally in the first place is a mystery. Where does it say that, where do i imply that? Point it out and explain yourself or continue make things up in your attempt to somehow end up being right.

Ka-pi96 said:
Blizzard are very much in the wrong as far as I'm concerned. Censorship is bad in all forms. But when it comes from an oppresive government regime it's even worse!


You started by asking me if i think rules should be followed without question regardless of morallity. And i'm suppose to give what answer to that? For example: "I think rules should be followed, always. When it says shoot the POW then i will happily oblige to make him dead. No matter the circumstances. Even if it makes me a war criminal".

Yes, that is the stupidity of your question i've dodged. Do you have any more nonsense you want to ask me? Like, since i occasionally attend birthday parties, if i celebrate Hitlers birthday?



Hunting Season is done...

I will just say this guys, Being silent and not talking in the face of oppression is not a neutral political view, that isn't "leaving politics out of it" that is turning a blind eye and allowing stuff to happen. If every company and person took the blizzard stance of "just don't talk about it here guys" then that would open the door to places doing whatever they wanted. If the cops started a "lets just not talk about it" policy to crime in your town, there would be less conflict for the cops, but the crime wouldn't go away... they would just not be talking about it or dealing with it.

All I'm saying is Silence isn't not picking a side, you are being silent because China told you to be.



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Zoombael said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

Except they don't, you can clearly see that in the video in the OP. Even if they did that still doesn't make this right, rules are not an excuse to forgo basic morality and common sense when looking at a situation. The damage done (none at all) vs. the punishment dealt (r.i.p. career and winnings) is not at all equivalent.

You want me to watch the whole video instead of giving me a time stamp?

Admittetly, i didn't check thoroughly what the rules say. However, i didn't because it isn't necessary. It is commonly known that "conditions of participation" are in effect and certainly known to participants. Events sponsored organized by companies can't let this kind of behavior fly, letting people use the media coverage for their own personal agenda on their expense. No damage done? The player damn well knew how it will end, he damn well knew that Blizzard doesn't want a part of it, but he did it anyway. Two options: Either he gets maximum penalty or they let him get off easy. Either way Blizzard is backed into a corner and forced to suffer consequences, either by possible sanctions by the chinese goverment or, the scenario they have opted for, deal with gamer outrage and boycott.

No damage done!?! Not to Blitzchung, who won't be playing some generic card game for some time and will be basking in the glory of his deeds. Does he look like an idiot to you? A professional gamer who didn't know what would happen to his "career and winnings" when he blatantly breaks the rules? Actually, when looking at the situation, they did let him get off easy. It may seem harsh, but this a way to send a clear message, to prevent would-be perpetrators to do the same and cause more trouble for future events and their organizers.

How would feel if i come to your house, to your party and make political ruckus, even though you clearly told everybody not to? And then everybody is booing you for kicking me out...

You don't think you should know what the hell you're talking about before talking lol?

Blizzard can't let this behavior fly you say, yet the US team wasn't punished for doing the exact same thing, actually worse for adding boycott blizzard which actually is divisive.

You seem to imply Blitzchung did infact cause damage. I'd like to know what the damage is exactly that was worth such a severe punishment.

We aren't programmed robots, we have the intelligence to consider nuance and context, to treat each unique individual situation as just that, a unique individual situation. So it's sad to see some are resorting to labeling to defend this, as if all that matters is the fact that it can be labeled political, the actual content and effect it has be damned.

EDIT: Wait a sec, the bolded there, that's you just admitting this is infact about China and their money. xD

Last edited by Lonely_Dolphin - on 12 October 2019