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Will you boycott Blizzard?

Yes 46 63.01%
 
No 21 28.77%
 
See Results 6 8.22%
 
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DarthMetalliCube said:
GoOnKid said:

Count me in on the boycotters. This makes me feel bad for owning Diablo III on Switch now. That's my last Blizzard game, then (but I wasn't a big fan of them anyway, and Diablo is boring af).

Yeah I'm going to finish my Diablo III game on Switch as I've already invested dozens or hours in the game just to get close to the end, so might as well seal the deal. But I'm definitely putting off my Overwatch Switch and Reaper/D.va controller purchase.

I'll just get Astral Chain or Mario Maker instead, as I've wanted to get those for some time - and already own OW on XB One anyway, just wanted a way to play handheld & with a couple other friends who don't have XB.

But I'll tell ya even when I do eventually buy the Switch OW stuff it'll be used. Blizzard aint (at least directly) getting another cent from me. I still hope they can redeem themselves somewhat, maybe at Blizzcon. It's a shame, as they used to be one of my favorite AAA developers along with Nintendo, Bethesda, Ubi, and a few others. At least they reinstated the esports player's prize money but to me it's a bit too little too late, they've made it clear of their lack of principles.

Same as me, I'm in the middle of chapter 3/5, so I might as well finish the damn thing sooner or later. However, this will take me a long time because a) it's very repetitive and boring in my opinion and b) this fiasco right here.

I can't remember if I had to create a Blizzard account when I started this. If so, I wonder how easy it is to delete it again.



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It was definitely blown way out of proportion but I'm happy that it did. It's both a middle finger to Blizzard and a great highlight to the situation in HK and the overall situation with China in the world.

I followed it from the start since Hearthstone is the only Blizzard game I ever played and I visit the reddit daily. I very much feel with the people in HK so it's extra hard to play Hearthstone right now. It'll probably lead me to stop giving Blizzard money, though. Not that one should need a scandal like this to be motivated do so.



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Mmhmm.. So deprived, downtrodden citizens fighting for their rights in the wake of an oppressive regime is equivalent to voicing support of.. legalising incest marriage. Gotcha. 👍

Gee, that sure is quite the leap you made there! And believe it or not - no, while that would be an asinine statement and said person should and would likely get mocked for it, even THAT statement shouldn't lead to an outright ban and revoking of prize winnings (especially of commentators not even directly involved!). 

Even Blizzard knows they fucked up when banning this guy. That's why they're backtracking now and returned the guy's prize money and shortened the suspension haha. 

For the 12th time. This is NOT remotely, in any shape or form, a controversial issue! The controversy should be SUPPORTING a Communist government that beats and shoots young people in the streets for protesting, and has concentration camps filled with people of a different religion. Or at the very least the controversy should be kowtowing to such a regime to such a degree that you ban and deprive your own professional players for a harmless statement.

This "crap" as you call it NEEDS to be heard in the gaming industry if you ask me. As much as possible. Especially if American companies are going to kowtow to these oppressive dictatorships. It's extremely important, and until Hong Kong is free, it's not going away. If you're going to be involved with Communism. Well.. then you're involved with Communism! And that's a dark road to go down. As far as I'm concerned, you've then got to deal with all the dark shit that comes with with being involved with shady governments - it goes with the territory.

If this brief, single statement - "liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our time," is all it takes to make you uncomfortable, well, then tough. Deal with it! How do you think those in Hong Kong feel right now while we in our comfy homes in the Western world are displeased of a boy speaking out for basic rights of his fellow citizens. Many are probably worried about their very livelihoods, shit some of them probably their LIVES themselves. 

Mate you simply don't get it. If you choose to blame video games by boycotting them over outside politic issues than that's a personal problem that needs to be voiced outside the gaming industry. Yes, you are blaming the good games by boycotting them and the good staff behind the hard work.

If someone wants to use a brand to voice his opinion without the brands consent than that's there issue simple as that. Use the internet if they had a brain, its not that hard.

You have gone off your radar again here by thinking Blizzard is all for communism just because they are following the laws in Honk Kong. They are a business that wants to stay relevant. I don't blame them for acting up because Honk Kong most likely has a gun to there head saying punish or be banished from our country. Businesses care about making money and if majority of money comes from a country than id expect any brand to do what Blizzard did. Should I boycott the Mitsubishi brand because they made the Japanese Airplanes that slaughter many US Navy crew at Pearl Harbor? No I don't. Should I Boycott German Car makers because they made German tanks that helped slaughter majority of the world? No I don't.  

End of the day someone brought it to Blizzard, Blizzard isn't exactly going out hunting gamers for there freedom of speech, they punished a guy at there ESport for throwing there name into a warzone they probably don't want to be in. Good to see Blizzard is refunding the guy his rightfully earnt prise money so good on them.

The incest law was an example which again went over your head. If we allow anyone to speak up at any major events without any concsent from major brands than that means anyone can simple do it about anything. I don't want random cultist or Regilous people interrupting my shows and events to say they are right. Sorry I am not in for it and I wont be part of it. Gaming is a relaxing medium for some of us and I much rather it stay that way. 

Boycott Blizzard games, take it out on quality games, but I will say this, If Valve came out and supported the Nazi's and managed to make Half Life 3, I will be buying Half Life 3 and I could care less what political views they take. That does not make me Nazi. If you don't like my opinion you and any others can simply deal with it. I am all against Hong Kong for there actions taking place but bringing this up at Esports is simply stupid in my opinion.

EDIT: There are some good people working at Blizzard that is against this behaviour so Boycotting the games those devs make, is a logically choice by you? I don't get it. You rather throw out there hard work, nice. That's why boycotting makes no sense to me because multi-billion dollar business blame the sales of there products on there internal staff like those good employees that don't want to get involved in the drama and just want to make a living are now the ones getting punished by that logic.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 14 October 2019

fatslob-:O said:
morenoingrato said:

So just to be clear, answer both of those questions for me, in a concise, clear manner. Yes/No is better.

1) Are the actions of the EU as bad the CPC?

2) Is the CPC committing genocide?

1) I wouldn't know since this is a matter of viewpoint ...

2) No obviously ...

Libara said:

Must be nice to be so obliviously ignorant.

Go hypocritically spout your ideals of unification elsewhere ...

Show me where I said anything about unification?



KLAMarine said:
pokoko said:
Just wondering but how many of the "boycott Blizzard" people are boycotting anything and everything associated with China?

Excellent question.

You need to have a look at the leverage you have before putting pressure in any given topic. Western gamers have little to no leverage within the chinese government. Western gamers have a ton of leverage with Activision-Blizzard.

So it's a matter of picking your battles wisely. And even if most of us agree with the sentiment behind the HK protests (I would hope), this is a Chinese matter, and it's up to the people in that country to come to a resolution of that dispute. What we shouldn't do is bend our values (i.e. freedom of speech) to not offend the brutal regime currently in charge of China.

The amoral position would be for Blizzard to ignore the comments made in support of the HK protest movement and carry on living, probably that would have been good enough for all, including the Chinese government.

Unfortunately they took the immoral position and rain down hellfire, over both the guy speaking on behalf of the protesters and the shout casters which had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was abhorrent what they did and they are in a shitstorm of their own making.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's fine if Blizzard as a company takes their money, just don't suck the CCP's dick as well.



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Azzanation said:

Mate you simply don't get it. If you choose to blame video games by boycotting them over outside politic issues than that's a personal problem that needs to be voiced outside the gaming industry. Yes, you are blaming the good games by boycotting them and the good staff behind the hard work.

If someone wants to use a brand to voice his opinion without the brands consent than that's there issue simple as that. Use the internet if they had a brain, its not that hard.

You have gone off your radar again here by thinking Blizzard is all for communism just because they are following the laws in Honk Kong. They are a business that wants to stay relevant. I don't blame them for acting up because Honk Kong most likely has a gun to there head saying punish or be banished from our country. Businesses care about making money and if majority of money comes from a country than id expect any brand to do what Blizzard did. Should I boycott the Mitsubishi brand because they made the Japanese Airplanes that slaughter many US Navy crew at Pearl Harbor? No I don't. Should I Boycott German Car makers because they made German tanks that helped slaughter majority of the world? No I don't.  

End of the day someone brought it to Blizzard, Blizzard isn't exactly going out hunting gamers for there freedom of speech, they punished a guy at there ESport for throwing there name into a warzone they probably don't want to be in. Good to see Blizzard is refunding the guy his rightfully earnt prise money so good on them.

The incest law was an example which again went over your head. If we allow anyone to speak up at any major events without any concsent from major brands than that means anyone can simple do it about anything. I don't want random cultist or Regilous people interrupting my shows and events to say they are right. Sorry I am not in for it and I wont be part of it. Gaming is a relaxing medium for some of us and I much rather it stay that way. 

Boycott Blizzard games, take it out on quality games, but I will say this, If Valve came out and supported the Nazi's and managed to make Half Life 3, I will be buying Half Life 3 and I could care less what political views they take. That does not make me Nazi. If you don't like my opinion you and any others can simply deal with it. I am all against Hong Kong for there actions taking place but bringing this up at Esports is simply stupid in my opinion.

EDIT: There are some good people working at Blizzard that is against this behaviour so Boycotting the games those devs make, is a logically choice by you? I don't get it. You rather throw out there hard work, nice. That's why boycotting makes no sense to me because multi-billion dollar business blame the sales of there products on there internal staff like those good employees that don't want to get involved in the drama and just want to make a living are now the ones getting punished by that logic.

You don't understand how a boycott works... Anyway you glossed over my reply towards ya. I think you might wanna address it before continuing to pretend context and nuance don't matter.

"If we allow anyone to speak up at any major events without any concsent from major brands than that means anyone can simple do it about anything."

Like with this quote here, implying because Blitzchung said a political thing somehow this means everyone can say a political thing regardless of the content and execution. Well it doesn't, we will still judge each unique individual situation as just that. For example, to anyone with intelligence, there's a pretty clear difference between "freedom for my country" and "kill all white males." Both political statements but obviously each should be treated differently.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
Zoombael said:

You want me to watch the whole video instead of giving me a time stamp?

Admittetly, i didn't check thoroughly what the rules say. However, i didn't because it isn't necessary. It is commonly known that "conditions of participation" are in effect and certainly known to participants. Events sponsored organized by companies can't let this kind of behavior fly, letting people use the media coverage for their own personal agenda on their expense. No damage done? The player damn well knew how it will end, he damn well knew that Blizzard doesn't want a part of it, but he did it anyway. Two options: Either he gets maximum penalty or they let him get off easy. Either way Blizzard is backed into a corner and forced to suffer consequences, either by possible sanctions by the chinese goverment or, the scenario they have opted for, deal with gamer outrage and boycott.

No damage done!?! Not to Blitzchung, who won't be playing some generic card game for some time and will be basking in the glory of his deeds. Does he look like an idiot to you? A professional gamer who didn't know what would happen to his "career and winnings" when he blatantly breaks the rules? Actually, when looking at the situation, they did let him get off easy. It may seem harsh, but this a way to send a clear message, to prevent would-be perpetrators to do the same and cause more trouble for future events and their organizers.

How would feel if i come to your house, to your party and make political ruckus, even though you clearly told everybody not to? And then everybody is booing you for kicking me out...

You don't think you should know what the hell you're talking about before talking lol?

Blizzard can't let this behavior fly you say, yet the US team wasn't punished for doing the exact same thing, actually worse for adding boycott blizzard which actually is divisive.

You seem to imply Blitzchung did infact cause damage. I'd like to know what the damage is exactly that was worth such a severe punishment.

We aren't programmed robots, we have the intelligence to consider nuance and context, to treat each unique individual situation as just that, a unique individual situation. So it's sad to see some are resorting to labeling to defend this, as if all that matters is the fact that it can be labeled political, the actual content and effect it has be damned.

EDIT: Wait a sec, the bolded there, that's you just admitting this is infact about China and their money. xD

That was after the Blitzchung ban. You re saying you arnt programmed robots. Yet you mindlessly suggest its a good idea to throw more oil into the fire. You re one of those who believe Blizzard merely banned because the chinese gov. is breathing down their necks. But did they ban the US team for basically doing the same and add sth. extra? Or do US americans dont count?

Do you know the meaning of the word "possible"? Check your english.

And do you plan on boycotting any other business doing business with china? Because doing business in china is doing business with the party. If not then dont bother me ni mire with your trendy hyprocrisy. Or continue not to know when to stop, like the protesters, and the point of no return is reached and the PLA intervenes, cracking down hard on them.



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Zoombael said:

That was after the Blitzchung ban. You re saying you arnt programmed robots. Yet you mindlessly suggest its a good idea to throw more oil into the fire. You re one of those who believe Blizzard merely banned because the chinese gov. is breathing down their necks. But did they ban the US team for basically doing the same and add sth. extra? Or do US americans dont count?

Do you know the meaning of the word "possible"? Check your english.

And do you plan on boycotting any other business doing business with china? Because doing business in china is doing business with the party. If not then dont bother me ni mire with your trendy hyprocrisy. Or continue not to know when to stop, like the protesters, and the point of no return is reached and the PLA intervenes, cracking down hard on them.

Ah so you'll only try to use context when it's convenient for you. However I didn't suggest anything, I pointed out hypocrisy. If you're gonna take the stance of "upholding rules no excuses" then you can't make excuses to not uphold the rules.

You think not banning them didn't add more fuel to the fire!? If they had been banned it'd give their "just upholding rules" stance credibility rather than further destroy it. Your last 2 sentences in that 1st paragraph don't make sense, the US team wasn't banned, obviously because they have no relation to China.

Ok I looked up the definition of possible, and? Doesn't change what you said, that you admitted to China's possible punishment affecting their decision.

I didn't say anything about boycotting so not gonna address that, especially since I'm still waiting to hear what damages Blitzchung caused that warrant such punishment. Although are you seriously saying the people of Honk Kong should give up on their freedom!? Did I read that right!? If so, Dayum!



Lonely_Dolphin said:
Zoombael said:

That was after the Blitzchung ban. You re saying you arnt programmed robots. Yet you mindlessly suggest its a good idea to throw more oil into the fire. You re one of those who believe Blizzard merely banned because the chinese gov. is breathing down their necks. But did they ban the US team for basically doing the same and add sth. extra? Or do US americans dont count?

Do you know the meaning of the word "possible"? Check your english.

And do you plan on boycotting any other business doing business with china? Because doing business in china is doing business with the party. If not then dont bother me ni mire with your trendy hyprocrisy. Or continue not to know when to stop, like the protesters, and the point of no return is reached and the PLA intervenes, cracking down hard on them.

Ah so you'll only try to use context when it's convenient for you. However I didn't suggest anything, I pointed out hypocrisy. If you're gonna take the stance of "upholding rules no excuses" then you can't make excuses to not uphold the rules.

You think not banning them didn't add more fuel to the fire!? If they had been banned it'd give their "just upholding rules" stance credibility rather than further destroy it. Your last 2 sentences in that 1st paragraph don't make sense, the US team wasn't banned, obviously because they have no relation to China.

Ok I looked up the definition of possible, and? Doesn't change what you said, that you admitted to China's possible punishment affecting their decision.

I didn't say anything about boycotting so not gonna address that, especially since I'm still waiting to hear what damages Blitzchung caused that warrant such punishment. Although are you seriously saying the people of Honk Kong should give up on their freedom!? Did I read that right!? If so, Dayum!

I can make "excuses", since its up to Blizzard how to handle a situation. Have never heard the term "house rules". It is their decision how to react. As i said, it seems they exercise liniency, avoid further escalation and... its wrong again. And as i also said, it doesnt matter what they do, it is always wrong in the eyes of some.

You hear or read what you want to hear/read to feed your trendy hyprocrisy. A complex subject such as this isnt really meant to be discussed with irrational, selfrighteous dicks.



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Zoombael said:

I can make "excuses", since its up to Blizzard how to handle a situation. Have never heard the term "house rules". It is their decision how to react. As i said, it seems they exercise liniency, avoid further escalation and... its wrong again. And as i also said, it doesnt matter what they do, it is always wrong in the eyes of some.

You hear or read what you want to hear/read to feed your trendy hyprocrisy. A complex subject such as this isnt really meant to be discussed with irrational, selfrighteous dicks.

"It is their decision how to react" so everything they do is just automatically correct and justified because... they're Blizzard. Yep your defense will forever remain laughably terrible for the reasons I have already gone over.

Oh snap you didn't deny it, just waffled and threw out baseless insults. I take it you really have no morality then. Combined with your continued willful ignorance of key points and information, I'm not gonna respond to ya no more.