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Trumpstyle said:
drkohler said:

The way Marc Cerny describes the inner workings of the next generation of software is precisely, and I mean PRECISELY, how a large hd behind a superfast ssd could work. I mean it is PRECISELY how an engineer would describe the system without giving away too much information. In a nutshell, you install your game on a large hd once and then have the key parts only install (from the hd as many times as you want) on a superfast ssd.

There is also this old insider rumour about the devkit mainboard which meticulously lists the components on it. It PRECISELY describes such a system of superfast ssd as the front end. If someone made all that up (and it does not forget to list a single part that is required for such a system) it was a lot of work for something that few people actually seem to grasp.

So which one is it? We don't know. Those people who dream of a 2GByte superfast ss should just check current prices, they range from $500 to $1200. Could a 1TByte superfast ssd (still expensive as hell when manufacturing a console, storage should not exceed 10% of your total budget) be enough? People have been complaining about the 1TByte PS4 drive as being too small for ages now. Do you really risk to start a new generation with a puny 1TByte drive (which isn't even 1TByte, binary speaking).

"or just installing the whole thing and then deleting the single-player campaign once you've finished it."

This is Mark Cerny describing the SSD, transferring whole games to the SSD from the CD (not some game files). If we put a 128gb Cache in there that means 1 game or maybe not even 1 game as the OS will probably also be installed there too. I expect average game size to be 100GB next-gen. It will take about 15min to transfer a game from the HDD to the SSD, you somehow expect gamers is gonna shuffle games between the HDD and SSD with only maybe 1 game fitting in the SSD cache.

Dude it's time to give up the whole HDD + SSD combo, it DOESN'T WORK.

About the storage, 1TB is enough, according to wikipedia average game sold per console for PS4 sit at 9,56, average game size for PS4 is about 50GB. 10 x 50GB = 500GB so a 500GB hard drive is perfect for PS4

10 x 100GB = 1TB so 1 TB is perfect for PS5.

Yep, I certainly filled out my 3 or 4TB HDD this gen, but I have over a hundred games installed in it.

Barkley said:
Trumpstyle said:

1 TB is perfect for PS5.

I have 1TB in my PS4 which already isn't enough for me with games like GT Sport, Battlefront 2 etc taking 100GB+.

However if we look at it from the 500gb PS4 launch perspective.

NBA 2K14 - 41.8GB
Knack - 35.6GB
Killzone Shadow Fall - 38.5GB
Battlefield 4 - 33.9GB
Call of Duty: Ghosts - 31.1GB

As long as PS5 launch games aren't over double the size of PS4 launch games, then 1TB PS5 is just as good as 500gb PS4 was.

So 1TB might not be as terrible as I expected, though I'd still want to upgrade. It depends if large launch games like the next CoD are 60-80gb or if they're 100gb+.

So a 1TB PS5 may be no worse than the 500gb PS4 was.

For Hardcore gamers certainly 1TB may look small if you want to have all your games installed at once, but sincerely almost no one will play 10 games at once, so even if this SSD can install super fast the games and you can only keep 5 AAA games installed at a time it is plenty manageable. Then if you want to have a very big external HDD to transfer games to SSD instead of using the BD that would be slower then you can.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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colafitte said:
Is PS5 going to be the first PS console to launch simultanously all over the world at the same time?, i mean... North America, Europe and Asia (included Japan)?? because if that's the case, PS5 is going to obliterate all the records next year.

What can PS5 do 1st day of sales if it launches at 400$ worldwide?? 2 million??, 3 million??. If PS4 ended 2013 selling more than 4M in just a month and a half..., PS5 is going to easily do 50% more than that at the end of 2020.

The hype for PS5 in just 12 months from now is going to be something never seen before....

If not I Hope it will launch in Europe first. Because it's better than Globally in the US.



Keiji said:
colafitte said:
Is PS5 going to be the first PS console to launch simultanously all over the world at the same time?, i mean... North America, Europe and Asia (included Japan)?? because if that's the case, PS5 is going to obliterate all the records next year.

What can PS5 do 1st day of sales if it launches at 400$ worldwide?? 2 million??, 3 million??. If PS4 ended 2013 selling more than 4M in just a month and a half..., PS5 is going to easily do 50% more than that at the end of 2020.

The hype for PS5 in just 12 months from now is going to be something never seen before....

If not I Hope it will launch in Europe first. Because it's better than Globally in the US.

Europe is a must 1st week launch, it's their biggest market. I have no doubt on that.

I'm pretty sure that if Sony was capable of shipping 5M, 6M or even 7M worldwide launching in all the big markets before year's end, they would sell almost every unit. Back in 2013, PS4 sold 4'2M from original 4'5M shipments until 31 December 2013, so in the end it's more a matter of how much stock can Sony produce than anything else. It would need a colossal effort from Sony to achieve that simultaneous release worldwide though, but if one company is capable of doing it, it's Sony.



colafitte said:
Keiji said:

If not I Hope it will launch in Europe first. Because it's better than Globally in the US.

Europe is a must 1st week launch, it's their biggest market. I have no doubt on that.

I'm pretty sure that if Sony was capable of shipping 5M, 6M or even 7M worldwide launching in all the big markets before year's end, they would sell almost every unit. Back in 2013, PS4 sold 4'2M from original 4'5M shipments until 31 December 2013, so in the end it's more a matter of how much stock can Sony produce than anything else. It would need a colossal effort from Sony to achieve that simultaneous release worldwide though, but if one company is capable of doing it, it's Sony.

Don't forget they had droughts and also needed to airship for Xmas.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

drkohler said:
Trumpstyle said:

Did you miss this in the article? "like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive." There is no ANCIENT drive in the next-gen console.

The way Marc Cerny describes the inner workings of the next generation of software is precisely, and I mean PRECISELY, how a large hd behind a superfast ssd could work. I mean it is PRECISELY how an engineer would describe the system without giving away too much information. In a nutshell, you install your game on a large hd once and then have the key parts only install (from the hd as many times as you want) on a superfast ssd.

There is also this old insider rumour about the devkit mainboard which meticulously lists the components on it. It PRECISELY describes such a system of superfast ssd as the front end. If someone made all that up (and it does not forget to list a single part that is required for such a system) it was a lot of work for something that few people actually seem to grasp.

So which one is it? We don't know. Those people who dream of a 2GByte superfast ss should just check current prices, they range from $500 to $1200. Could a 1TByte superfast ssd (still expensive as hell when manufacturing a console, storage should not exceed 10% of your total budget) be enough? People have been complaining about the 1TByte PS4 drive as being too small for ages now. Do you really risk to start a new generation with a puny 1TByte drive (which isn't even 1TByte, binary speaking).

Yes, I think they will start with 1TB. In the past few gen's they have started with smaller amounts in order to save on costs. PS3 only came with 20GB as the base. PS4 had 500GB, even many figured it would be 1TB. That's why I think Cerny made sure to give gamers a choice of what to install, so the 1TB doesn't seem so small. Who knows, maybe they'll have the option of a 2TB for $100 more.



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I think PS5 is really impressive with 16 GB RAM, 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen 3 series CPU, probably Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU, hardware raytracing, SSD, new Dualshock...

It's either going to be really expensive or Sony will take a big loss this time...

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Barkley said:
Trumpstyle said:

1 TB is perfect for PS5.

I have 1TB in my PS4 which already isn't enough for me with games like GT Sport, Battlefront 2 etc taking 100GB+.

However if we look at it from the 500gb PS4 launch perspective.

NBA 2K14 - 41.8GB
Knack - 35.6GB
Killzone Shadow Fall - 38.5GB
Battlefield 4 - 33.9GB
Call of Duty: Ghosts - 31.1GB

As long as PS5 launch games aren't over double the size of PS4 launch games, then 1TB PS5 is just as good as 500gb PS4 was.

So 1TB might not be as terrible as I expected, though I'd still want to upgrade. It depends if large launch games like the next CoD are 60-80gb or if they're 100gb+.

So a 1TB PS5 may be no worse than the 500gb PS4 was.

hehe I think you will be fine, you can have 5-10 games install on the SSD and just delete games u know u won't play for awhile. Most of those games also have multi/single player modes and you will able to uninstall either of those modes on PS5 to save further space.



"Donald Trump is the greatest president that god has ever created" - Trumpstyle

6x master league achiever in starcraft2

Beaten Sigrun on God of war mode

Beaten DOOM ultra-nightmare with NO endless ammo-rune, 2x super shotgun and no decoys on ps4 pro.

1-0 against Grubby in Wc3 frozen throne ladder!!

Guys if anyone is interested these should be the specs on next-gen console, they are based open verified insider information, leaked benchmarks and info from sony/Microsoft.

PS5: Zen2 CPU, 8 core/16 threads 3,2ghz, GPU 10,1TF (44CU, 1,8ghz), 16GB gddr6 VRAM 256-bit bus, 512-576 GB/s memory bandwidth (12+GB VRAM available for games), 1TB SSD.

XBOX Scarlet: Zen2 CPU, 8 core/16 threads 3,2ghz, GPU 10,1TF (44CU, 1,8ghz), 14GB gddr6 VRAM 320-bit bus, 560 GB/s memory bandwidth (10GB VRAM available for games), 1TB SSD.

We still have some unknows, Jason Schreier said both Microsoft/Sony was aiming for above 10,7TF but we don't know if he was talking about TF or gaming performance but sounded like TF. A leak called OBERON showed the PS5 gpu will be clocked at 2GHZ, FLUTE and GONZALO leak showed 1,8Ghz though and navi power consumption goes completely out of whack when it goes above 1,8ghz.

I assume both of them will use TSMC 7nm+ so the clock can be a bit higher than I listed.

PS5 might have 4GB ddr4 which will be used for SSD caching and take some burden of the OS but haven't listed it, don't know if Xbox has any DDR4 but no matter what Microsoft does they can't get above 10GB Vram available for games, this is based on the E3 Scarlet video and comments made by Drohler and Pemalite (they're hardware experts).



"Donald Trump is the greatest president that god has ever created" - Trumpstyle

6x master league achiever in starcraft2

Beaten Sigrun on God of war mode

Beaten DOOM ultra-nightmare with NO endless ammo-rune, 2x super shotgun and no decoys on ps4 pro.

1-0 against Grubby in Wc3 frozen throne ladder!!

Radek said:
I think PS5 is really impressive with 16 GB RAM, 8 core, 26 thread Ryzen 3 series CPU, probably Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU, hardware raytracing, SSD, new Dualshock...

It's either going to be really expensive or Sony will take a big loss this time...

Continued sales of ps4 and ps+ requirements/ digital fees from all PSN sales can help sustain a loss 



Kinda carrying this subtopic over from another thread regarding PS4. Any idea on when the first controllers will launch that are more similar to their Xbox third party variations? I can't stand official PS controllers, but I could be a day one buyer of ps5 if there are good third party options.