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thismeintiel said:

Absolutely nothing. Just make sure we don't pollute our local areas and adopt cleaner energies when it is financially feasible for companies, and the Earth will take care of the rest. The fact is most of the people who push global warming, especially the bureaucrats who alarmists seem to want to have handle trillions of dollars to do something about it, after they have already wasted billions/trillions of dollars on "wars" on things, with nothing to show, don't actually believe it.

Why do I say this? Simple, if you honestly believed that the Earth is going to start to die in 10-12 years, you would change absolutely everything about how you lived. Instead they continue to fly on private jets and buy expensive homes that use way more energy than the average home. Including homes on the beach front, when they go around preaching about how the ocean level is on the rise. Global warming has been co-opted by the Left just to continue their pursuit of attacking businesses that they don't control.

The fact is 20 years from now we'll still be here, with people screaming that we only have 10-12 years to fix it. The same thing that's been happening since the 60s. Of course, back then it was Global Cooling and we needed to put soot on the poles to melt them to encourage heating. We'll see which it will be in 20 years, since we did just have two years of cooling.

No one is saying the world will end in 12 years.
Thats just you over exagerating.

Every 1 degree of warming we get over the next 100 years, will result in 2 meters or more, sea level rise.
The scientists expect that temp will rise ~3-4 degrees over the next 100 years.

That means sea levels rise about 6 meters.

This results in less space to live on, world wide.... and less area to farm, ect.
This wont cause the human race to die out, or whatever silly thing your imagineing.

It ll make it harder to live though, and will rise prices on foods.



CuCabeludo said:

Every once in a while a clown like Greta Thunberg emerges touting developing countries(60%+ of the world) to stop trying to get developed and shut down their industries, go back to stone age. Such countries obviously give them the middle finger and move on.

Switching from archaic fossil fuels to renewable energy is the opposite of stopping development.
Today it is much more cost efficient to rely renewable energy.

I think you're only referring to her 'green lifestyle', like sailing to USA, and having people use trains instead of airplanes when they don't need to fly, etc?

That's missing the point of the message.
It's not to get everyone to do that, but to have the ones in power reduce carbon emissions to the point where they wouldn't feel the need to do that.



JRPGfan said:
SKMBlake said:
What we really should do ? Stop everything, stop buying electronic stuff, stop the great amount of electric consumption, stop producing plastic, treat our garbage better, stop buying meat and off-season products (like fruits), and now, not in 10 years.

The problem is the worst of the bunch.... USA,China,India, arn't very willing to put in much effort at all.
So even if the rest of the world, does, it wont matter.

Trump needs to lose office before anything serious can happend.
If the USA wont lead by exsample, you know China and India, wont do squat either.

I'm gonna quote Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror): if you wanna make the world a better place, just look at your self and make that change. I'm not gonna stay living my life where I harm the planet, I do everything I can to reduce all the non-environmental things I've been doing since I was a child. And more and more people do the same as I do. 



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CuCabeludo said:

Every once in a while a clown like Greta Thunberg emerges touting developing countries(60%+ of the world) to stop trying to get developed and shut down their industries, go back to stone age. Such countries obviously give them the middle finger and move on.

Only science, by developing new materials and new forms of energy production can do something, not kids or burocrats.

1.)  I don't recall her saying anything about stopping developing countries from getting developed.

2.)  She's not actually trying to do anything.  Her message was "you have to do something, I'm just a kid who should be in school."

thismeintiel said:

Absolutely nothing. Just make sure we don't pollute our local areas and adopt cleaner energies when it is financially feasible for companies, and the Earth will take care of the rest. The fact is most of the people who push global warming, especially the bureaucrats who alarmists seem to want to have handle trillions of dollars to do something about it, after they have already wasted billions/trillions of dollars on "wars" on things, with nothing to show, don't actually believe it.

Why do I say this? Simple, if you honestly believed that the Earth is going to start to die in 10-12 years, you would change absolutely everything about how you lived. Instead they continue to fly on private jets and buy expensive homes that use way more energy than the average home. Including homes on the beach front, when they go around preaching about how the ocean level is on the rise. Global warming has been co-opted by the Left just to continue their pursuit of attacking businesses that they don't control.

The fact is 20 years from now we'll still be here, with people screaming that we only have 10-12 years to fix it. The same thing that's been happening since the 60s. Of course, back then it was Global Cooling and we needed to put soot on the poles to melt them to encourage heating. We'll see which it will be in 20 years, since we did just have two years of cooling.

>if you honestly believed that the Earth is going to start to die in 10-12 years

No one said the Earth is going to die in 10-12 years.  

> Instead they continue to fly on private jets and buy expensive homes that use way more energy than the average home

I'm personally not a fan of the argument that people need to change the way they live.  I think the best solutions would enhance how they live, not a radical change.  

> Including homes on the beach front, when they go around preaching about how the ocean level is on the rise

1.)  A lot of the supposed beach front properties that I've heard politicians buy are many feet above the sea level.  Even the most extreme models don't show Obama's beachside property getting affected by rising sea levels for several decades.  

2.)  If someone has faith that something will be done about it, then there's less reason to be cautious.  

>Of course, back then it was Global Cooling

Back then the science wasn't settled.  

There were some scientists who suggested that aerosols would lead to cooling.  

Most of the research back then suggested that CO2 would lead to warming. 

The reason why Global Cooling was the mainstream view, is because the media ran with it, not because the majority of scientists did.  

>We'll see which it will be in 20 years, since we did just have two years of cooling.

You must not be familiar with El Niño and La Niña.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/04/26/global-temperatures-have-cooled-since-2016-heres-why-thats-normal/



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@Rab. I tend to agree with you about the fuckening.



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Place economic pressure on India and china and try to change to renewable energy in the next few decades.



I think this discussion is very important nowadays and I welcome the rising awareness very much. Often we speak much but act little, and we let politicians decide what should be done in the next few years, but the problem is that they are more often than not corrupted by industry lobbyists and therefore don't feel too much pressure to actually make a change. So the population must wake up and raise their voices until it's loud enough for politicians to listen. The argument against any changes is always job safety, but changing doesn't have to mean that jobs will be lost. This is a pure fallacy. Instead, they are rather simply shifted. Of course this takes a lot of time and costs money, but I only very rarely see any company have severe financial difficulties when shifting to greener processes. Sadly, I also only very rarely see any company at all making some efforts in that direction.

In Germany our government recently released their envirnment plans, which are way too cautious, get rightly criticized from experts and researchers, and I am concerned about it. I really hope that they will put more pressure onto the industry to change faster. Our car industry fucked up half of the entire world and still gets protected and petted like a child. Admittedly, they got caught and punished to pay insanely high fines, but they still keep on cheating like nothing ever happened, so the pain can't be that bad, I guess. The shift to electric drives or hydrogen drives is happening way too slow and the government doesn't help at all.

So when governments and industries fail, I ask myself what I personally can do with very little effort. Some things actually work, and some don't work for me. For example, my girl and I are blessed, I can't deny that. We have a pretty good income, both of us, we live in a small town where costs of living are pretty fair and both of us don't commute very far. In fact, her job is so close that she can easily walk, while I drive 15-20mins with my car.

So I considered riding the bus, but unfortunately the connection is very bad. If I missed the bus after work at 4 o'clock I would have to wait three (!) hours for the next one. Also, I don't have fixed working times, I can never precisely tell when it's time to go home. I contacted the company and asked for better connections, but they declined because the customer numbers don't warrant more buses on that line. That's not possible for me, honestly, so I don't ride the bus. 

I would love to by a hydrogen-driven car, but unfortunately the gas stations in my area aren't equipped for that yet. The closest one would be 50km away, that's not reasonable for me.

But like I said, some things actually work for me. We decided to eat less meat in general, but especially no meat anymore from discounters. We have a butcher just next to us so that's where we buy our meat now. It's much more expensive for sure so we consume much less as compensation, but it tastes a thousand times better and the animals lived in better conditions. Too much meat isn't healthy anyway and cooking vegetarian is very easy and just as tasty. It comes beneficial that we both like to cook and experiment a lot so that shift went very smoothly for us. 

We don't intend to change our entire lifestyle, but little things can make a change, too. So we try to reduce the amount of packaging and plastic where it's easy and effortless. She's using bio-degradable tooth brushes now, for instance. Me, when I shop some food at my local discounter I stop using plastic bags for my fruits and vegetables anymore. This had been a no-brainer for me all my life. You buy some tomatoes, you put them into that thin plastic bag. Now I don't do that anymore and I'm still just fine. It made me wonder why I even did that in the first place. Also, I consider receiving green electricity next year instead.

So to sum it up, I hope that substantial changes happen to industries, even if it means by law, while I myself try to do my part as well.



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We could make it a mission to plant as many trees as possible. This is actually fun, brings more beauty to communities and country sides, and is really inexpensive, especially when you coordinate with volunteer groups, churches, schools, etc. Trees are one of the greatest consumers of CO2 and also exhale that wonderful O2 we all crave. It's so easy to set a workable goal around this concept and it would give the current and future generations a bit of pride in making the world a better place. No technology here, just good old fashion agriculture.

Certainly solar is making a lot of impact in many areas of the country and world. Let's continue down that path with more and more ambitious goals. I really think we should be pushing for more solar cells on just about everything we use. The technology is there and even if it just gives us miniscule results, it would help offset a large amount of energy on a global scale.

Encourage community gardens and local farmers markets. This is a win-win in so many ways. Communities taht garden together can share the abundance of their resources. They'll also spend less time purchasing produce packed in plastics, which is a sad trend that is occurring right in front of our eyes (why two tomatoes need a protective platic barrier around them is beyond me).